yes yes I know im notorious for w.i.p and never posting the final results, sorry i was just having fun and what not being creative and lazy. but this time! i mean this time,..it Primal...if not greater than Optimus Prime himself very very equal. I tend to think greater,and don't get me started on meg's there. Anyway his looks so menacing it person, i finally see the appeal of nemesis which i will probably never do or motor master in this mold.