Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Cloud Strife, Apr 12, 2007.
hmm........kinda makes you think.
agreed man. I hate that if a black person uses those words it is somehow fine and dandy but heaven forbid should a white person use it. I don't go around calling fellow white people "Honkey"... "What up my honkey?" or anything like that. I think it is hypocritical bullshit...
I know that when I was a kid if I dared call someone a honkey, if my parents found out I'd have gotten a slap across my mouth.
I have a cousin who has that double standard, he'll call a West Indian person a coolie man, a lesbian a dyke/carpet muncher and see no problem. But call him a nigger, a spook or a stupid ape & he gets mad.
Honestly IMPO those who use disrespectful words have NO right to complain when they get disrespected by others
I think as long as the words aren't used in hate. What I mean is. like as long as someone isn't using the word to hurt someone else, any word should be fair game. I have a black friend who gave me "permission" to say the N word around him. I don't, but he said if I did he wouldn't get mad.
That Merideth Viera is one ball busting nappy-headed ho.
agreed. i am in the same situation as you, my child's godfather, my best friend, is black. but also put it in the context of comedians. i love Chris Rock, but he loves to talk about white people. think if someone like Tim Allen said some comment about a black person, he would be dragged across the rocks. personally i don't mind being made fun of for being a white male. but white males are the only medium that doesn't complain if they are made fun of......... if u make fun of women, your a sexist pig. if you make fun of a some other race (mainly for white comics) you are a racist.
I think there's a misconception here. Viera's absolutely right that there's a double standard. But that's between race and sex. Not race and race.
I see her argument of why Sharpton was lambasting Imus for his derogatory comment. But keep in mind, TWO groups of people were insulted here.
Race and gender.
So Sharpton and the majority of people made a huge deal about the racial part. But the gender part? Not so much. Which is why I see Veira's argument. If Sharpton had addressed BOTH the racial and gender views, I wouldn't think there would be much of an issue.
She's absolutely right to criticize him for making the gender part of the insult a secondary issue.
But to apply the double standard on race itself, I think is misconstrued.
For some reason it's okay in society to make fun of/insult/belittle your own race. But once that crosses over to another race? It becomes racism.
As a minority, I don't view it as a double standard at all. But that's because I was raised to know that making comments about other races is definitely a no-no. Personally I don't see the problem of me making fun of my own race. I make sure to not make comments about other races though simply because I understand that as a minority, I wouldn't want comments to be made about my race from a person of another race.
Also, I don't think it's right for a person of another race to make comments simply because he/she thinks it's okay since we do it within our own race.
Only times I think the N word has been funny was in Blazing Saddles when it was mocking racism and in a scene in Kentucky Fried Movie.
In KFM, there is a sketch with a daredevil performing a dangerous stunt... he is dressed like Evil K. he walks into a the middle of a bunch of big black guys in an alley shooting dice.. They all stand around him he just shouts "N------s!!!" and runs. They are all like "What they hell?" and chase after him ready to kick his ass. Makes me chuckle that that is his daredevil stunt.
EDIT: Found a clip of the KFM bit.. only 1 minute long..
Finally, someone with some balls (even though it was a lady!) to stand up to that race baiting piece of crap. He absolutely disgusts me. Someday I hope that he will actually slip up somewhere and be exposed for the criminal maggot he really is. Then the Feds might actually do the world a favor and take away those American freedoms he doesn't deserve and put him away in some god-forsaken hole of a prison somewhere for the rest of his miserable life.
true, true. don't get me wrong i was also raised that making fun of someone because of race was a defanate no, no. i'm not saying it's right for someone to make fun of antoher race, or sex. i was mearly using it as an example. what i was trying to say was that alot of commedians will make fun of their own race and white people as well.
i'm just trying to state my opinion without it seeming that i am racist.
"nappy" and "ho" are not racist words, nor are they exclusive to black people. there was nothing even remotely racist in his line that got him fired.
That's something that I've never truly understood as well. I admit, I love Dave Chapelle and all those guys. I've always been curious as to why African Americans could get away with commenting on Caucasians but not the other way around.
The whole issue of racism and Asians is very different for some reason that I can't quite place either.
Agreed. I think that if they weren't talking about the Rutgers game at that particular moment this wouldn't have been much of an issue at all. To feminists? Definitely. But most certainly not racism.
True enough, "nappy" is just a state one's hair get's in. Meaning it's rough and full of knots and stuff. My hair's especially prone to nappiness, hence why I tend to buzz my hair every 6 months. It's easier to maintain that way
But honestly I've NEVER heard a straight haired person talk about his/her hair getting nappy. I've only hear that word out of the mouth of black people since nappiness is often associated with an afro
Didn't Shawn Fanning call his site Napster because of his nappy hair?
nope, it was cause seth green was napping and fanning stole it from him....wait, am I getting movies and real life confused again.
But as for this situation, good for Vieira, but Imus should have known better as a tv personality.
I hate the though of the double standard, but we are living in a pretty charged time and there are some double standards out there.
You shouldn't have said that, pscoop. Now you're going to lose your adverstisers.
Perhaps, but presented in the context that it was, that interaction, on that show, was offensive enough to get people relatively insulted. Insulted enough not to want to pay Imus anymore.
I think what Imus said did deserve some kind of punishment but not to be fired. He has said a lot from what I'm hearing on the news that could be viewed as even more racist than this and nothing was done so why now? Also I have to disagree with you Valkysas. I don't think he would have used those words if the team was not predominately black, at least that is my view. I don't think he is a racist but was just joking however if the team was white or Asian i just don't think he would have used those words.
As for Sharpton, I do see it as a double standard issue. I believe he does work speak about rappers using the language they use but he doesn't go out of his way like he does for racial issues when it is a white person saying them. Also the gender issue is secondary with him it seems and it shouldn't be. That said I do have some respect for Sharpton unlike Jessie Jackson. Let's be far though, racial issues are what Sharpton specializes in. It is his cause just like feminist protest for women's rights and not men's.
This whole issue reminds me of what a few congress men in Washington state said about Nascar fans when Nascar was trying to build a track there. They basically if not actually called them white trash yet nothing was said about it. Sure they were white and it is more of a North and South issue but it is discrimination, just not of the racial type. I think to some degree we are all targets of racism and sexism no matter what color you are. It would be nice to live in a world without it but we can't change what some of these idiots think. At the very least it would be nice if the media and protesters would view these issues equally and treat them as such.
I would really like to know just how many listeners/viewers of his show were insulted when they heard what he said when it happened or if that just came later when the media picked up on it. From what I hear he says this stuff a lot. I even believe I heard that the ratings for his last, but not known to be last at the time, show was up. If anything Imus will just go to satellite radio and make twice what he was making at CBS and MSNBC.
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