Minor/Repaint: Venomus Prime (TR Autobot Hot Rod) CustomZ Progression

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  1. knoted

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    Ouch !
    Well... personally, I will always regard pin removal/pin re-insertion, as a very tricky process. I did some, customizing, but anything with a pin.. yikes.

    Goodluck !
     
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    I've had that happen with the shoulder pins on CW Trailbreaker/Offroad. I have no issues with drilling the other side, but those pins managed to bend inside their housing before they'd budge, so I just smashed the chest apart.

    I was actually after the shoulder joints so I wasn't against it, but that's incredibly annoying to be forced to destroy an entire part.
     
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    My advice is to invest in the stainless steel, scientific-grade, metal dowels (usually from China) on Amazon or eBay. The ones that Hasbro uses are really cheaply made but these are really cheap in bulk.

    Those are not only tough, but they don't require knurled ends to stay put. They're really great, though they might not come in all lengths so to replace certain pins, you may need to cut 'em.
     
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    All pins (minus stubborn knees) have been removed safely. The more concentrated dye solution has arrived. I'm preparing the parts for a second go this weekend.
     
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    Goodluck ! Hopefully the dye will work without having to resort to acetone or vinegar.
     
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    No more acetone, one way or another... this is it for attempting to dye the parts.
    It should work this time; but if not, then I'll just have to resort to painting the parts.
     
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    I used to use acetone. I'm no longer a fan. The results are iffy, the process is EXTREMELY toxic, and I find that after six months to two years, the dyed plastic will start to crumble.
    Now, all I ever do, is:
    1) get rid of the factory paint with rubbing alcohol (soak the pieces in a container full of the stuff for 24 hours). NOT clear plastic, though!!!
    2) lots of fine sanding, especially around joints and other rubbing areas, then clean with soap and water.
    3) undercoat spray (Krylon camouflage black, grey or sand). Let dry a week.
    4) hand paint with Testors ModelMasters acrylics.
    5) Sometimes, I'll spray a protective coating. But even without a protective coat, I find the ModelMasters really stays on well. I transform my customs, and it's almost always without problems; when there is, I sand the necessary areas, and repaint. That does the trick.
     
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    It worked!
     

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    Shoot! The hood just warped outta shape. It's not as severe as the first take; but it's still considered, unusable. :( 
    I'm done with this custom for tonight. There's more work to be done tomorrow as long as I can acquire another Hot Rod. So far it seems to be a mix bag of pros and cons; but certainly it all matters on the quality of the plastic to the toy.
    Thickly structured, and the parts will come out fine.
    Too thin, and it's quite the challenge to prevent warping during the color dying process.
    I'm not sure there's any way to prevent this matter from occurring, even with low heat.
    Still this is all about trial and error.
     
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    I do not understand, why go through the whole dye process?
     
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    Because a successful dye can be highly rewarding. You never have to worry about paint scratches or friction rub.

    Sorry to hear about the warped hood btw. Gee, that plastic is questionable then. Shapeways' WSFP can go in and out a boiling pot of dye without pretty much any issues.
     
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    Action Master Wheeljack.
     
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    This, but now it's become the principal of the thing since I'm too far deep to just turn back now.

    It may take 3 Hot Rod figures, maybe even 4 or 5; but I will master this skill even if I must dye... some more.
     
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    Progress: Slow burning technique actually works.
    . Set the stove top 5 clicks to medium temperature.
    . Added Graphite/Black color dye to the pot of WARM water.
    . Mixed and added parts (one piece per run) to the pot.
    . Let part/s soak for 10 minutes max for 2 runs in and out of the water.
    . Let part/s air dry for a minute in-between soaks.
    Done!
    Results: Full cure with NO WARPING! :) 

    Now... about the replacement parts from yesterday's mishap? XD
     

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    This is awesome. You should ABSOLUTELY make a more detailed proper dye tutorial post on how youve done this "slow burn" i've always wanted to try to dye a figure but have never been able to find a tutorial that explains well enough to make me feel comfortable in attempting it. And it seems like youve already gone through the trial and error portion of this. Why not share the knowledge?
     
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    I'll see what I can do to make this easier to understand.
     
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    Great !

    Btw, is it my imagination or do I spot a few hazed spots? If so, you might want to try Mothers Plastic Polish Mothers® Plastic Polish
    That stuff helped an old G1 fig of mine turn back into mint glossy surface quality.
     
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    Yes, but I'm not sure with what's causing that issue. All the parts were equally dyed in Graphite.
    I'm currently letting the parts soak in a warm tub with a small mix of shampoo for at least 24 hours.
    Let's just see what happens, if anything at all. I also have some Wipe New and Armor All cleaning cloths on standby. That method worked wonders on the Cocoon/shields shell for my HT 1989 Batmobile right after it started fading to a hazy appearance.
     
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    Alrighty. And if that doesn't work, I can really recommend Mothers. It did this for my super hazed Takara Buster (Dreadwind) ; from left to right : http://i.imgur.com/gCzJ4Mt.jpg
     
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    Those broken parts don't have to go to waste. Use them as practice pieces to get a better feel for plastic dying. Not like warping them further is going to make them any more unusable.
     
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