Unpopular Opinion - All 5 Films Are Good

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  1. unicronic

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    Loki survived because he is a demi-god plus the goal was to close the portal.

    The Chitauri were cannon fodder which is fine. Transformers movies could do with more cannon fodder armies. That's something they tried during AoE during the Galvatron subplot but that just bloated the movie in my opinion.

    The 'bad guy ship' was just a ship and was not a key character which lessens the importance of the destruction. In addition, except for Thor (maybe Hulk too), the current Avengers core team are all human even if they are super. So the battles have to be appropriate to that.

    The army in TF1 identifies sabot rounds as a way of hurting/defeating Decepticons prior to any meeting with Autobots, sabot rounds in the movie are military issue munitions. This plot device only exists because of a need to pander to the armed forces.

    The Avengers may be overrated but it is still, unfortunately, superior to any Transformers movie to date which is a big shame. It is what happens when one property had a formula for critical success in place and the other does not.
     
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    The point is that you said you had a problem with the military taking out an advanced space fairing race, when I point out a movie you like does virtually the same thing it's not a problem. Nice cherry picking.

    In your opinion.
     
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    My point in TF07 is there are only a handful of Decepticons so why make them so weak? It's one thing to have 100's or 1000's of cannon fodder enemies and something else to have 5 or 6 key enemies. The main thing that drove the success of Transformers as a media property prior to any live action movies was making the villains as interesting as the heroes something that Marvel/DC do well also.

    Why then make many characters so weak, bland and disposable?

    And of course it's my opinion. I suspect if you looked hard enough you might find someone willing to support Uwe Boll being the greatest film maker of our time.

    Transformers 2007 was the closest we have gotten to a good TF movie and remains probably the best to date despite being the poorest in terms of Decepticon characterization. After 2007 popular opinion namely aggregate opinions is that TF2-5 got gradually worse.

    What TF movies need to do going forward is just establish a re-usable movie formula. MCU has a structure or formula they use in each movie. It's very easy to identify but they add good actors and good action on top of this alongside varying quality scripts. It's the reason why they are usually always critically well reviewed as well as commercially successful.

    I want to see Transformers movies reach this level of critical success too but they need to make fundamental changes to how they create this movies starting with the basics.
     
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    They are really not that weak though. You seem to think that they were all taken out by a couple of sabot rounds, and that's not how the battle played out.
     
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    Blackout - killed by Lennox with a hand wielded sabot weapon; there are some raptor rounds for good measure but the killing blow is Lennox sliding underneath Blackout and using his sabot grenade launcher.
    Scorponok - essentially weakened/defeated by an aerial bombardment
    Barricade - defeated in one short battle
    Bonecrusher - killed almost as soon as he appears
    Devastator/Brawl - actually takes a team of Autobots to down him initially which was one of the highlight battle moments in TF07; later finished of by Bumblebee with some army potshots
    Starscream survives
    Megatron is in complete control of the battle with Prime but is essentially defeated by a few raptor jets. His ultimate demise at the hands of Sam is academic at that point.

    The most baffling thing here is how did the Autobots lose this war on Cybertron when Megatron and his key Decepticons are all dispatched so easily?
     
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    That's not entirely clear. Anyway, F-22's are not exactly shooting spit balls.

    Irrelevant since he wasn't killed.

    Not killed, no humans involved.

    Once again, not by human involvement. And he is killed by Optimus Prime, what would you expect. No random goon is going to equal a Prime.

    Not killed by ordinary humans.

    Killed by the Allspark.

    How do you figure so easily? Jazz was killed. Starscream takes disabled Ironhide and Ratchet, Megatron handles Prime, and Bumblebee gets his legs blown off.

    So we have only Blackout and Megatron killed by humans with Megatron being killed by the Allspark. Doesn't seem likely the humans would have succeeded without the Autobots.
     

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