Unofficial Photographic Archive Volume 1 and 2

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by brr-icy, May 11, 2017.

  1. edgecrusher

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    Sounds like that entire spectrum is socialistic in the Fabian sense, and the left and right forms of it just differ on how to take your money, not whether it's even acceptable to do so. They've apparently given voters there a false dichotomy between two forms of the same problem, rather than offering an actual alternative. You're not alone, it is a problem almost everywhere in the West, including the U.S. At the end of the day, it's the 'why' behind the quip, "This is why we can't have nice things". Ah well. Hopefully these guys reach their funding goal and eventually copies will find their way to the secondhand market or ebay and you'll be able to get a copy. Cheers.
     
  2. Hyperoptic

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    Hey everyone..
    Just want to thank the people who are getting behind this project. We're at about 32% funded right now, general consensus usually points to high success rates if your campaign reaches 50% after the first week. So we have our fingers crossed. Also, we know that the international shipping is pretty much a swift kick in the nuts to our international supporters. We're really sorry about this. Only way we could have gotten it lower is to deal with a European and Asian (Middle-man) proxy, and we unfortunately do not have the resources or infrastructure for that.
    Again, all our apologies...

    You guys know that declaring international packages as "gift" usually bypasses extra charges, right...?
    Not saying we'll be doing that, but if we did, too bad we couldn't openly advertise it publicly. ;) 

    They are two different pledge rewards at this particular time.

    It will probably be the very last page of the book. (On the other side of the Index page)

    We were planning to use the actual name of the backer once payment is confirmed. But you bring up a great point, I think we'll actually give you the choice in the end-project survey.
     
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    I have to say that I am a little dismayed by this. I acknowledge that these are pricey books due to your uncompromising desire for the best quality, but being willing to pony up $110 really doesn't warrant a name credit?
     
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    Why is there is no option to just buy Volume 1 for international pledgers (Canada). Would the shipping be cheaper if I only get Volume 1?
     
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    Problem is, Transformers fandom as a whole is not particularly big on respecting copyrighted work. Illicit scans of the comics were circulated for years online, electronic copies of the IDW comics are freely torrented and let's not get into the rights and wrongs of the KO and 3P markets. This thing goes digital, it'll be all over the internet and free to access the day it gets posted. If these guys really want to ensure people get their hands on the book via legitimate means, hard copy is the only way to go.

    What's the incentive for someone to pledge, if you know that there's a chance of getting it for free?

    Ebooks are great for big publishing houses, for whom piracy is just a small dent in their profits, but for smaller and independent presses it's a killer.

    I don't know about other countries, but in the UK at least, books are exempt from import duty, so for British buyers there should definitely be no costs involved other than the pledge amount and the shipping costs.
     
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    Yeah, that's a good point.
    Please give us some time to look into this.
     
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    I want to support this, I really do, but not when shipping charges are so outrageous - $43 to ship to Canada?!! (And US shipping is free?!). That's nearly half the cost of the books themselves, and I'm assuming they're not subsidizing the cost of shipping like they are for US shipping.

    It looks great, but when shipping costs are out of control, I really cannot give my money for this. (And yes, there are solutions to this. I've seen many kickstarters use Canada/EU/Australia friendly shipping methods where the cost goes down significantly, and it's shipped within the country).
     
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    Someone asked this earlier but may have missed a response: Have you considered adding multi-unit order options (5/10/20 copies) so retailers can also back this and help you hit the threshold?
     
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    We are charging actual shipping rates to all the eligible countries. Including the USA.
    All the details are on the Kickstarter page.

    We are looking into possibly adding a retailer tier to the rewards. Not sure yet. But the printer would have to ship directly to the retailer. They would need to have a loading dock. The books are being assembled for bulk shipment in palettes. We are however not sure how many books are per pallet or if they can be configured to certain specifications. We'll find out, but we can't guarantee anything... If things line up, we might have to give it a shot to help this project get fully funded. We'll keep you posted.
     
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    Alright, it's official, Every pledge towards a book gets your name printed in that specific book.
    If you purchase both, your name will be in both books.
    This will not show up on the actual tiers however, as we can't edit the description once the tier has backers.

    If you have backed us with the 5$ BOOK SUPPORTER tier and have purchased that particular book. You can back out of it, otherwise you will have options for two names in the book on the campaign-end survey. Could be a cool gift though, but up to you.

    We'll inform our backers directly through Kickstarter and on our Facebook page shortly.

    Thanks for the constructive feedback.
    It really does feel better this way.
     
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    Thank you for your consideration!
     
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    BOUGHT!
     
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    I think sending copies to a supplier in Europe (e.g. TFS express) is a great idea. It certainly will boost the sales for you. As for now I think lots of non USA people are scared off by the high costs. So maybe work out a deal with a European supplier and add that option to the kickstarter project. So, I can back it for lets say 50 dollars for vol.1. You will send all the copies to TFSexpress, and they will ship it to me. This is an example, but I think it will lower the costs significantly for lots of people. And please let non USA people buy vol.1 only option. Hope you can work that out.
     
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    You're not going to stop piracy. I mean, this book is UNOFFICIAL, so I highly doubt these guys got Hasbro's and Takara's consent and are not paying them royalties. Also, all it takes is for one person to scan the book and upload it to the internet. So I won't get into all this ethical/unethical talk. [C'mon dude, don't tell me you never downloaded a Game of Thrones episode, or any other movie, tv show or song. We all do it].

    But let's talk about this kickstarter and how it works. Nobody will have access to the books or e-books until the fund target is met and production is ready, so there won't be early leaks. Everybody will get their content at the same time. And someone who wants a hard copy will not be dissuaded with a digital option. Also, it is my understanding that this is a one time production run. So if these guys meet their fund target, who cares if their shit is pirated afterwards. They already got their money. The business of kickstarters is much different than your conventional retail outlet. There's a reason why Blockbuster is dead and Netflix is thriving. Digital content is what people want and be able to access it on the go. I truly see a good opportunity here and it'll be a shame if they're off by a bit in their fund target. Such option could definitely add additional funds. You take all those people who are interested but don't like the high price, high shipping rates, unavailable countries - you just opened up a new target audience.
     
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    I am quoting joopsta's post here. I live in Italy and beside the boring covers, I could be interested in this book. Maybe I could organize a "group buy" with shared shipping costs... but this definitely needs an option on the site for multiple buyers.
    Also, please consider getting in contact with TSExpress and TF-Direct... maybe we can work it out a good solution for EU and Asian supporters.
    Hope you Hyperoptic would consider that or maybe inform us on the difficulties or impossibility to do that.



    No, not usually, hardly. Marking as gift here in Italy mean nothing to customs.
     
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    If I took a photo of a building, would I need to pay royalties to the construction company, or the architect?

    So just because a lot of people get away with driving whilst drunk, we should all do it, and not expect any consequences? Gotcha.

    Look, if the authors wanted to offer a download option, they'd do it. Maybe they will, I dunno. But that's their perogative, as it's their content, and they have the right to control its distribution as they see fit.

    Unlike digital music and video content, sales figures show that the public aren't quite as ready to embrace digital books as readily as other digital media.
     
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    Excellent. Really happy with that.
     
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    They already said they wouldn't but I agree with this proposal. I prefer physical books, but it'd also be beneficial for those of us internationally who don't have a few hundred dollars to spare.
    Doesn't really help avoid the $100 or so shipping fee (I'm thinking in NZD, but you guys don't ship to New Zealand anyway, so what do I care at this point?) which is separate from import taxes.
    I'm disappointed because you said you were looking into getting cheaper international shipping options before launching the Kickstarter, but then launched it with exorbitant shipping costs and didn't even include half the countries you could have included. That seems really mismanaged to me. I don't think distribution was thought through well at all, and even if that's not your area of expertise, you need to get every aspect right for a successful project, not just some of them. Plus, you know, distribution is very important.
    As far as I know, the same goes for New Zealand.
    Oh, and "fragile" means nothing to customs and NZ Post either, even when it's plastered all over the box. Dickheads.
    That might be a valid argument if it didn't have "Transformers", a registered trademark, plastered in big, bold letters on the front of both books.
    That's not the analogy he made and you know it. You're using a false equivalency.
    You're right that if they wanted to do it, they would. The point isn't that they don't have the right to do what they want with their content, but that there is a market for a digital version, especially for those of us outside the US who cannot even begin to consider affording these.
    That is an illogical argument. For starters, not all digital sales figures are public. Then you have to consider how many people want digital books. You say less people want digital books compared to other media. Okay, but the amount of people who buy digital books is still a substantial number, so are you saying just because it's a lower number than other digital media that it's irrelevant? Because that's just not the case at all.
    Come live in New Zealand and then tell me that.

    Poverty is at an all-time high, our biggest city (Auckland) averages $1m for a house (and rent is absurd too), and it's where a vast majority of jobs in the country are (as well as about half of our population), the government keeps trying to introduce new taxes just to make everyone's lives even more difficult (and even for a middle-income family like mine, it's still very difficult to get by), and our living costs are much higher than even Australia's. Also, we are probably one of the biggest welfare states in the friggin' world and yet a family with both parents working has trouble getting by, let alone those on benefits.
    Heck, I have extended family members who struggled much more than we ever did and now one of them is terminally ill so only one of the couple can work, and though they get government health benefits, they've had to rely on sizeable contributions from the rest of the family to get by.
    And I'm not saying we're the worst-off country in the world, because on the contrary, we're far from it. But that's the point - we're in a shitty situation, and we're far from the only country like this, nor are we the worst.
    Oh, and government taxes are almost never spent wisely, often overcharged and wasted in the most asinine ways (I can think of at least three local examples off the top of my head right now, but that's a story for another time). Our government was praised with keeping the country afloat during the recent economic crisis, but do you know how they did that? They borrowed a ton of money and took a lot of money out of important sectors (such as health and education), which have negatively affected the country long-term.

    My point is that the government isn't your friend, and in plenty of countries, they're not helping people anywhere near the amount they should. Also, we have relatively affordable healthcare in New Zealand but it's still getting more expensive all the time.
     
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    Good deal, because I used wife's card on kickstart and she doesn't care about Transformers too much. Hate for her name to be used instead of mine because of it. :p 
     
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    Alright.....I see I'm talking to a grade 6 level of intelligence here so there's no point in explaining logic and business with you. Don't know you're PMS'ing all over the idea. Not like I'm saying to abandon hard copies and this ain't even YOUR SHIT so why you getting all defensive. Sheesh, typical TFW mongrel. TCJJ already said they're not doing it (I haven't been following this thread) so this is the last I'm going to mention it. Good luck to the creators - I hope you succeed in your funding target. Great that you're at 32% now, but you'll see that getting the last 10% will be staggering.
     
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