Ultra Magnus and his armor

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  1. defstar

    defstar Autobot...

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    Been watching the boards for awhile now and finally signed up...

    I'm mainly big into G1...guess that is why the classics toy line has got me reliving Transformers all over again and i love it...

    I've only seen the original cartoons and movie...none of the comics or later incarnations of the series...

    So my question...Ultra Magnus had separate armor as a toy...but looked like he always had his armor on in the movie...where did the whole "armor" thing take place...did he actually ever remove it media wise...?

    thanks for having me at TFW2005...
     
  2. Valkysas

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    the armor thing started in the dreamwave comic, G1 Vol. 2 - War and Peace. magnus gets trashed by shockwave, gets out of his "armor" and then makes a stand against him in his "standard" robot mode.

    frankly, I hate this. Magnus is best with "armor". It's hard for me to consider any of the recent white optimus repaints as magnus.

    Despite the dreamwave comic, I still think of Ultra Magnus the way he was in the original show, comics, and movie. I dont even consider that white cab of having a robot mode. ultra magnus is a red, blue, and white robot with an actual mouth and rocket launchers on his arms. not a lame white prime repaint.
     
  3. y2jversion1

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    Amen to that man!

    Totally agree!
     
  4. manyoufactsure

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    I think they should have had the white cab, Magnus, upgrade to his armored form, Ultra Magnus, when he accepted the matrix from Optimus Prime, in the movie.
    The WWI comics had Optimus upgrade in size and we already had Hot Rod upgrade to Rodimus in the movie so it makes more sense, to me, if Ultra Magnus had an upgraded form. I'm guessing that due to animation limitations and the not yet seen Rodimus upgrade that they chose not to have Ultra magnus change.

    It wasn't ever shown in the G1 cartoon but it has been assumed that Alpha Trion passed the matrix to Orion Pax, during his repairs, and he then became Optimus Prime. The WWI comic doesn't fit in with the G1 cartoon.
     
  5. Incepticon

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    Where were you when I was having this exact debate on another thread a few days ago? It was me vs. 100 and I could have used some backup :) 

    Anyway, quote for truth and all that. Well said, and no surprise here, I couldn't agree more.
     
  6. Shipley

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    white prime = Magnus
    combined with armored trailer = ULTRA MAGNUS

    I don't mind the white primes, what bugs me is the lack of finishing the job and giving me some armor to put on him.
     
  7. flamepanther

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    My thoughts exactly. You wanna make an Ultra Magnus by repainting a popular Optimus Prime mold? Great. Include some armor with it. Having the smaller white robot is fine, but without the armor it seems pointless. I refuse to buy any, except for Classics, and only then because he comes with Skywarp.
     
  8. Codimus Prime

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    Thats a cool way to think about it. He does have a lot more possibilities in the armor than without.
     
  9. Wyvern

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    HELL YES!!!!!

    Finally someone who gets it!!!
     
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    Actually, I thought the way that Dreamwave handled it in that particular story arc was brilliant. It really struck a chord, because they were simultaneously acknowledging the cartoon Magnus, and also the peculiarity of the toy that every kid remembered from way back when... what the heck is with the white Optimus? Not many of us knew about the whole "Convoy=different type of figure in Japan... accessories = power-up!" thing.

    Also, it opened up a fresh can of worms... what IS the enigmatic link between Optimus and Magnus? Are they really brothers? Clones? Why does Magnus need the armour? All the mystery actually served to make me more interested in the Ultra Magnus character than I'd EVER been. I wanted answers... sadly none were forthcoming.

    Unfortunately, that was Has/Tak's cue to start repainting every Prime figure as Magnus, which I have to admit, I find pretty lame. I agree... give us armour!

    zmog
     
  11. Optimus-JD

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    Exactly how I have always looked at him. I don't mind the repaints of the Prime cabs, but just call it Magnus if that's all it is. Ultra Magnus should be reserved for something that's actually "Ultra".
     
  12. Pravus Prime

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    Ditto. I also agree, which is why I think Titanium G1 UM is going to be a favorite, while that silly War Within repaint is going to stick to the shelves.
     
  13. KA

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    ultra magnus armor = comfort blanket for dealing with it now
     
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    I can't believe i never looked at it like that before. Makes sense.

    I just think Ultra Magnus should have had a better figure in the classics line. I also think Prime needs a freaking trailer for his figures.
     
  15. Wreckie

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    Flamebait, anyone? :poke  No? Good. :) 

    Re: the link between Optimus and Magnus, I seem to remember a fanfic which served quite well as an origin story. IIRC Magnus (white robot) gets critically injured, is carried back to HQ by Optimus and undergoes the "Ultra" process to save his life. In this instance, the armour serves as a mobile life-support unit as well as an extra layer of shielding and while the white Magnus could exist outside it for short periods of time, he'd die if he wasn't reunited with it. As fanwank explanations go, it's the one I've always found easiest to buy into. :) 
     
  16. MikeTSI

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    Well, as for Magnus not upgrading when he received the Matrix in the movie. I always thought of it like this:
    He didn't upgrade to a stronger form because he wasn't meant to have the Matrix. Prime was, and Hot Rod was. Magnus was just there and Prime picked him, but he wasn't the one the Matrix wanted. That may not be accurate but that's how I always saw it.

    Mike
     
  17. Tech Spec

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    Magnus did not light the darkest hour so thats why he did not get a body upgrade
     
  18. TrooperMaximus

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    Not challenging here but, Prime wasn't worthy either. He says so himself.
     
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    Galvatron: Magnus! I want the Matrix!

    UM: That's Ultra Magnus to you! Don't you see the armor?

    Galvatron: Sweeps! Terminate him!

    UM: Oh, I can't deal with this now. :lol 


    Oh, I hope that doesn't mean Hot Rod was worthy.:wink: 
     
  20. Tech Spec

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    Hotrod wasn't worthy... he was a keener, I guess the Matrix liked that in him :lol 
     

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