Triple Changer upgrade's effects on Animated Megatron

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  1. Optimal Primus

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    I just recently aquired the Allspark Almanac Volume II. All I can say is it was
    a very interesting read, and I really enjoyed all the homages to past series.
    What really caught my attention were the plans for season 4, and it had me wondering. Then I began pondering about Megatrons triple changer upgrade. We know that in animated, the triple changer procedure tends too make you insane. Case and point, Blitzwing. I was wondering, how would the triple changer affect Megatron? And so, I'd like to hear your opinions. Let the discussion begin!
     
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    I just noticed the typo in the thread title, mods if you see this, please fix.

    Edit: Thank you!
     
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    Well megatron seems to be mentally very strong and egoistical so I'm not sure if the personality shattering effect would happen to him, or it could just make him worse, 3 minds all pushing to out do the others in terms of power and success... possibly even leading to him becoming galvatron.
     
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    The impression I got was that
    Blackarachnia
    would perfect the process before subjecting him to it.

    That Blitzwing was basically just the trial run (that only partially succeeded) while Megatron would be the real deal...
     
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    He'd become insane like... another upgraded Megatron perhaps?
     
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    That could explain how he became Galvatron in the Timeline Cyclonus is from. Thats is, if he is even from another version of Animated.
     
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    Animated Blitzwing was clearly insane way BEFORE he chose those 2 earth alt modes. he didn't become insane after he became a tripple changer. he already was insane to begin with.
     
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    It was eventually revealed that after the Great War, he was upgraded into a triple changer by Blackarachnia, and went insane because of the procudure, BEFORE he came to Earth.
     
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    is that info in the allspark allmaniac??

    Because Blitzwing clearly wasn't a tripple changer before he scanned 2 earth alt modes on earth in that animated episode. blitzwing couldn't decide which alt mode he want,then his crazy face appeared & he scanned both of them.
     
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    Megatron was a tripple changer in the cybertron toy line/cartoon series.
    Megatron was a 6 changer in the Rid toy line/cartoon series.
    So,No megatron in any alternate universe appears to be sane & strong enough to withstand going crazy like blitzwing did according to the allspark allmanac book says.

    I'd assume animated Megatron would act similar to beastmachines megatron.
    because in Beastmachines megatron let others first go thru the new technology & body upgrades before he felt it was safe & perfected enough,for himseldf to try it. examples: that huge space ship in BM that megatron has his spark transferred to & that optimal megatron body in BM.
     
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    E. C. R. Former Is probably insane...

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    Yes, it is from the Almanac which firmly establishes that Blitzwing was a triple-changer before coming to Earth.
     
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    The Allspark Almanac did in fact say that Blitzwing was made crazy by the procedure to turn him into a triple changer that was performed by Blackarachnia. However, the episode where he arrives highly suggests he didn't even know he could take two modes. Perhaps another side effect of his insanity is that he has no idea about the other personalities' alt-modes?
    Also, I think the "Icy" personality was his original personality, considering it's the dominant one.
     
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    I'm really wishing that the Blitzwing origin episode had been made now. This sounds fascinating stuff.

    I could also imagine Megatron battling to maintain his sanity through the process. Would be a good way to hint at other, alternate Megatron characterisations.
     
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    I completely disagree with your use of the word firmly.

    It's just another example of a poorly done retcon. I blame the fans a little, but mostly the authors. These are suppose to be fun cartoons and while the original G1 cartoon had a whole mythology to it, the later cartoons clearly were never created to be as indepth with the exception of beast wars simply because of it being in a way, a retcon itself to the G1 cartoon.

    Everyone has their own way they want things to go, but Hasbro gives these people a license to actually make it their way and it doesn't always fit the original authors intent. Like previous posters have said, Blitzwing was clearly insane in the cartoon before he chose two vehicles. One simply did not have anything to do with the other. The fans want answers to everything that sometimes just aren't established with the original story board and for some reason the people who work for Hasbro seem to be intent on filling in the blanks with their versions. I'm very curious to know if this story arc was added by someone else or the original story writers from the Animated series.

    Now that animated is done and over, they're trying to tie the two things in together and that's just not simply the way it was.

    Mathius
     
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    Hi, Mathius. I normally don't like to comment on my own work, but I figured I'd weigh in here since it's getting into questions about where certain ideas came from.

    When I originally watched Lost and Found, the episode introducing Blitzwing and Lugnut to Earth, my interpretation was that Blitzwing became a triple changer at that moment. I was later informed by Marty Isenberg that this was not, in fact, his intent for the storyline. According to him, the debate was about which of their two Cybertronian alt modes to swap for an Earth mode. Random's compromise, such as it was, was to abandon BOTH Cybertronian alt modes.

    It was ALWAYS Isenberg's intention to eventually do a Blackarachnia-centric episode that would explain the origin of the triple-changer process. When the Marauder Megatron toy came along, he thought he had the perfect vehicle (no pun intended) to finally tell that story. Alas, the lack of a season four means that that story will have to wait for another day.

    I'm not going to walk around pretending that I've never done a retcon. However, this particular example is not one at all, merely a clarification of the existing scene based on extensive interviews with the creators in question.

    -JimS
     
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    Yeah, but he didn't undergo an upgrade to get 4 extra modes. He did become Galvatron and get a boost to 10 alt. modes, but he didn't get Blitzwing levels of crazy.

    Movie Megatron would like to disagree. He has two alt. modes (jet and tank) in ROTF after coming back to life, and he's the EXACT SAME in terms of mentality as he was before he died.

    To the contrary, there was one major effect that the alternate faces had in conjunction with the alt. modes. In "Megatron Rising", the Autobots piss Blitzwing off in jet mode enough to switch to his hothead personality. That causes him to turn into his tank mode, and subsequently fall into a frozen lake. While this link between alt. modes and personality was seemingly gone by the time of the "Velocity" episode, it still happened.

    Also, Derrick Wyatt himself said Blitzwing's insanity stems from the Triple Changer "upgrade":A Delightful Tedium: My desk is a MESS!

    EDIT: I did not see that we had someone in the know weigh in on this before I posted!

    Huh, so he was initially only going to swap one alt. mode before scanning both? Interesting. Thanks, Jim!
     
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    Ok, but who are you?

    Who is Random?

    What did I miss here? How is BlackArachnia a triple changer, or was that nixed with the episode we didn't see?

    This behind the scenes stuff always irritates me. I'd almost rather you guys didn't tell us this stuff. Not all fans are privy to this kind of stuff and certain media types, fans, or organizations post stuff as fact that, either a. isn't readily verifyable, or b. has never officially been published.

    People can do what they want with it, but I'm done accepting any of the "behind the scenes" or interview exclusive stuff anymore. It's not worth it. Maybe as creator that was his intent, but publishing it in an interview or in this case an almanac doesn't change the media form the Animated figures were slated for. In other words, it's not in the cartoon, so I personally am not going to include it in my own personal canon. Sorry if you find that offensive, but TF wiki totally turned me off to this kind of thing with their attitude that everything the creators say makes it canon whether it was in the media or not.

    He might be the nicest guy in the world and maybe it was an intended episode, but I just want to enjoy transformers and their characters and mythology and I'm not going to complicate things with this kind of information.

    Even if it was his original intention, those episodes didn't air, so it's still a retcon.

    Mathius
     
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    Ok, but I don't understand what this has to do with him showing multiple personalities before the change.

    I guess it doesn't matter at this point. We know what the real intent was of the author.

    Mathius
     
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    This may sound chliche, but if anyone could fight that kind of madness, Megatron good. He's already got an iron will and could be considered by many to insane already.
     
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    The dialogue just wasn't clear, that's all. It's not a retcon.

    If every mistake in the shows are law, then all the misplaced faction symbols in all the shows were not errors but were meant to be that way, the seekers are capable of turning into one another and speaking through each other, and Bruticus hangs out with the combaticons.
     

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