Transformers What If - G1 - Autobot, Decepticon, and ... ?

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  1. Kickback

    Kickback Proud father Administrator Super Mod News Staff

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    This is something new I'm going to try out for a little bit, just to see what kind of responses it gets, etc. It may catch on, it may not. But I want to try something called a "What If" scenario. Meaning I'll list some topics of "What If" scenarios and you guys tell me what you think would happen/should happen and then a reason why.

    So here's my first WHAT IF scenario, set in the Generation One Universe(ie: before the downsizing with Maximals/Predacons):

    What If disgruntled members from the Autobot and Decepticon allegiances break ties and form a third faction. What is this faction called? Who is in charge? And why did they break off to form their own faction?

    I've read some really great stories back in the day. One had the Technobots breaking off from the Autobots to form a faction all about science, but due to their hot-headedness at times, were more militant as well (imagine a peaceful planet being attacked by the Technobots to take their research by force, in the name of science).

    So have fun with it :)  Look forward to reading your responses, as well as giving you my own.
     
  2. Aernaroth

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    I imagine it would probably end up being some sort of primal, "beast" faction. The Dinobots, the Predacons, Monsterbots and Terrorcons, etc. All these monstrous transformers, aggresive and animalistic beyond the ability of their respective factions' ability to control, growing farther and farther from the Autobot and Decepticon causes, eventually splintering into a third faction run along a more... Darwinistic hierarchy.

    There's plenty of reasons for each of the groups to break ties, from the revulsion of the Monsterbots finally coming to a head, to the Dinobots deciding their tenuous grouping with the Autobots is no longer acceptable, to the Predacons simply feeling an overwhelming urge to go back to being hunters, not soldiers.

    Whether or not they would withdraw from the war and try to live on their own is unclear, as it is possible to envision scenarios where either side could entice the entire third faction, or just groups of it (as I imagine subgroups would have a level of autonomy not usually seen in the Autobots and Decepticons) to temporarily join to further their own self-interest.
     
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  3. Kickback

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    I know a lot of the theories about how the Predacons really came to be come from the Predacons branching off from the Decepticons, mostly because of Galvatron and his insanity, and gathering momentum due to that same reason. It wasn't until the war between Autobots and Predacons (since most Decepticons had abandoned the cause) was literally too much for either side to survive, did they agree to the Pax somethingonother agreement, downsizing and drawing up territories, or whatever.

    And eventually a criminal stole the Golden Disc and started calling himself Megatron, in light of the Decepticon hero, left through Transwarp space and inadvertantly started the Beast Wars, which would change Transformers forever.
     
  4. Bumblethumper

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    A group Megatron dismissively refers to as the 'desertobots'. Comprised of conscientious-objector former Autobots driven by an uncompromising idealism, and unmotivated, lazy/cowardly former Decepticons that join them thinking it'll be an easier life.

    They form a colony on one of Cybertron's moons which they naively dub the 'Paradise of Peace'. Ambitious plans are unveiled, there is high-minded talk of building the movement for a 'New Cybertron', of harmony and justice. The reality of life on 'Paradise' is a ramshackle place where nothing seems to get done and energon is in short supply.
     
  5. Aernaroth

    Aernaroth <b><font color=blue>I voted for Super_Megatron and Veteran

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    You could also have subfactions of either side who split off due into supernaturally motivated cults/sects. For the Autobots, various visionaries, spiritualists and clerics could feel that the war was getting in the way of a bigger picture for their race, callings from Primus and dire threats arising from the more metaphysical aspects of the Transformers mythos, threats that the majority of Autobots would dismiss outright as either simply legends or simply less important than the day-to-day grind of fighting the Decepticons. For the Decepticons, we could see groups of Unicron-empowered or even possessed mystics deciding that the path to TRUE power meant following not Megatron, but an even crueller and more dangerous master.

    You could also see disciples of various martial arts on both sides feeling that the actions required of them in an increasingly brutal and merciless war were beyond what they could reconcile with their personal codes of honor, and deserting en masse to form some kind of neutral school, actively defending itself from any involvement in the war.
     
  6. Kickback

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    I've always thought, in the G1 continuity anyways, that some Autobots would be more prone to "walk away" from the battle to do their own thing, or have such differing ideals that they'd rather walk the path alone.

    - Hot Rod

    Being Rodimus Prime for a stint and then going back to Hot Rod would probably have a profound change on the character. Enough that he may not be able to take a back seat to Optimus Prime's return and change in leadership style.

    - Cerebros

    We saw in "Rebirth" that he's a total pacifist ... now that he's part of Fortress Maximus, the burden of being "the strongest Transformer ever" may be too much, and he may abandon his position on Nebulous.

    - The Technobots

    In "Money is Everything" we learned that they're rather discontent with being put on Earth because they're "too new" and "too yellow" for battle and the frontlines. Think of the Aerialbots back during "The Key to Vector Sigma" and how they all abandoned the Autobots thinking they could do better. Seems to be a trend with "newly created Autobots".

    On the Decepticon side?

    - Cyclonus

    Maybe Galvatron is just too nuts. Could see him leading a large amount of Decepticons away from Scorponok to create his own group with Scourge.

    - Any combiner groups

    They all had their own agenda, the Stunticons being "apart" from Megatron's Decepticons back on Earth. Same for the Combaticons (as seen in "Starscream's Brigade" and again in "B.O.T.").

    Interesting combinations.
     
  7. SPLIT LIP

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    I like that this is a "serious" what if thread as opposed to the other which was a game.

    While I like the Predacons branching off theory, another possibility I thought up was what if multiple factions started branching off? For example the Autobots and Decepticons have basically demanded every robot be one or the other, and some start to get fed up with being pressured into one of only two options, so multiple "third" factions, as it were, emerge, each one symbolizing a more exclusive set, some good some evil. It's like you have this massive civil war, and then all these "rebel" factions that threaten both Autobot and Decepticon.
     
  8. WhiteMocha

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    I always found it interesting that Hot Rod was referred to as an "Autobot Cavalier." It seemed to separate him somehow from the other car-bots, as if he has some slightly different social standing... a cavalryman among foot soldiers, or even a knight. I think an interesting "what-if" scenario of the type you described could involve Hot Rod leading a squad of other cavaliers who operate somewhat independently of Optimus' crew.

    The most logical group to form the other cavaliers would be Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Tracks and Mirage; they're all high-speed, high-performance cars and they're all portrayed as either vain aristocrats, ethically-challenged, or both. They would logically look down on the other Autobots, seeing themselves as elite and holding to their own code. If ruled by their better angels they could be an invaluable ally to Prime, white knights riding to the rescue when all seemed lost. But if overcome by exceptionalism and arrogance, they could become dangerous zealots who believed themselves above the law. In the latter scenario, perhaps they would even accept some compatible Decepticons into their brotherhood, effectively forming a third faction more loyal to each other than to either the Autobots or Decepticons.
     
  9. Ikkstakk

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    Even before the Dreamwave miniseries, I'd had thoughts that the Micromasters on both sides might conceivably break off into their own faction, motivated mainly by the irreconcilable size differences. Micromasters are too short and too small to reach control panels or sit in chairs, conversations with normal-sized Transformers would be difficult, Micromasters would walk at much slower speeds than their taller comrades, and so on. It's easy to imagine that they might form their own society and start to feel detached from the concerns of the other Transformers.
     
  10. weeklyhero

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    I've always thought of a few Autobots leaving Prime because they were sick of his "Freedom is the right..." spiel. They just wanted to be more aggressive against the Decepticons and wipe them out for good. Instead of waiting for the Decepticons to do something and then going to stop them, they want to take the fight directly too them, which I've never really seen in any story. They'd always known where their base was in the cartoon, why not just go straight to them and attack head-on? I'm also sure some Autobots tired of having to protect the humans too. Check out Sunstreaker, he's always been on the verge of just stepping on us. There's a few like Cliffjumper, Sunstreaker, and Sideswipe that I could see breaking off and taking the fight directly to the Decepticons. Maybe ecen some disenfranchised Decepticons could even join them, namely Thundercracker (he's pretty obvious though).
     
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  12. Allsparky

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    Very interesting White Mocha that you would come up with that, as awhile back I started making a shelf of these types of "cavalier" bots. To date the shelf includes: Hot Rod, Tracks, Sunstreaker, and Big Daddy. I think that would be a neat story to expand upon, and had I the funding sir, it would be yours to produce.
     
  13. Autovolt 127

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    The Group would be know as the Automatons. They are allies to the Autobots that believe in a more milataristic ideals.


    Autobots:

    Devcon (Former Bounty Hunter, Now Team Leader)
    Slizzardo (His Sidekick now as a Nebulan transformer)
    Hardhead (Second in Command)
    Crosshairs (The Weapon Specialist)
    Drift (Hot-Headed Turbo Revving Young Punk Ninja bot, Former Decepticon)
    Flareup (Female Pyrotechnian)
    The Technobots:
    Lightspeed (Data Courrier)
    Scattershot (Sub Commander, Soldier)
    Nosecone (The Scientist)
    Strafe (The triggerhappy assassin)

    Former Decepticons:

    Blitzwing (Hot Headed warrior)
    Reflector (Army Building storm-troopers)
    Weirdwolf (Tactian, gave up on Decepticon ideal, no longer headmaster)
    Windsweeper (Meticulous Air recon commander)
    The Air Strike Patrol
    Whisper (Bombing specialist)
    Tailwind (Kamikazie Soldier)
    Nightflight (Spy)


    Former Members:

    Punch/Counterpunch (Triple Agent)
    Afterburner (Deserted)
    Skids (Deceased)
    Storm Cloud (Defected back to the decepticons)
     
  14. Aernaroth

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    In the original marvel comics it seemed like a significant chunk of the cybertronian population was unaligned "neutralists", so it isn't like there haven't been "third" factions before. Paradon in the animated G1 series is another example, albeit much less significant in the overall conflict.
     
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    Cyclonus was quick to offer his services to Cryoteck tho.
     
  16. Prime Noble

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    Didn't the G2 Cybertronians abandon Cybertron in the G2 comics? I always liked the idea that some might have descended from Autobots as well as Decepticons. The idea of Cybertronian colonies to me seems to allow for a way of integrating TF's from newer series back into the Marvel comics. Imagine if Mini-cons, Predacons, Omnicons, etc evolved on these worlds?

    What if Predacons and Terrorcons decided to form their own empires? What if Grimlock and co tried to encourage the Autobot descendants such as Maximals and Omnibots to rebel against the Cybertronian Empire?

    What if the progenitors of the Cybertronians discovered the mythic Cube? It could be an interesting way of introducing the Cube into the G1 universe. Primus could have used it before the Matrix. Maybe he stopped because as in the Movie-verse, it seems to generate more aggressive TF's. That seemed to be his reason for blocking the budding process in the comics.

    Just a thought. I've longed for a united continuity and teh G2 Cybertronian colonies seemed to be the best way to do it to me.

    Movie TF's seem more 'organic' than G1 TF's and the G2 budding would seem more likely. Plus I also used to feel the G2 Cybertronians had a more 'organic' look to them.
     
  17. Backpack

    Backpack Scattershot who?

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    Back in 1989 I mused a story..... where the first ever Autobot leader Stalemate returned after millions of year to reclaim his possition. He got his name from leading all Transformers in a battle against Unicron, resulting in a draw. Unicron came from a race known as Trans'masters and his mission was to search out and destroy the decendants of a faction of TM's that left their home star system.... and retreave the Matrix.... the TMs most treasured piece of technology.

    Stalemate, arrives on earth and challenges Optimus to a duel for leadership of the Autobots. The Autobots have become restless with thier war with the Decepticons and have been becoming more agressive. Optimus has been trying to keep them in check, but he can feel his hold over them slipping. Optimus puts up a good fight against Stalemate...but he loses. Prime is beaten nearly to death. Stalemate orders Prime rebuilt, and demoted to leader of the DInobots. He gets a new Wolly Mamoth alt mode.

    Just as the Autobot Decepticon war is really heating up... a new Trans'master arrives on earth.... Holocaust. He is about the average transformers size, but has great power. Along with him is an army of Junkions who fallowed him to earth continuing a battle which started on Junkion. Wreakgar is dead, killed by Holocaust. The Junkions are being lead by Stalemate's old second in command Peacemaker.

    The Junkions are no match for Holocaust... and even when they start combining into larger robots greatly increasing their power .... they are losing.

    A great distance away, Stalemate is leading an attack against the Decepticons strong hold on earth. Holocaust sences the presence of the Matrix... and leaves the Junkions in search of the lost TM treasure.

    Optimus and Dinobots arrive at the Junkion battle to late. They assist what's left of the Junkion army... and Prime meets Peacemaker. They retreat to a secret base Prime kept. There the Autobots which are still loyal to Optimus help the remaining Junkions.

    Holocaust shows up at the massive Autobot Decepticon battle... going toe to toe with Stalemate.... while the battle rages around them. Galvatron, seeing Holocaust fighting an Autobot sees him as a new ally.... but when he joins the fight, he gets to close and is easily killed by Holocaust.

    The battle rages, Holocaust tires, both Autobots and Decepticons are fleeing. Stalemate calls a full retreat at the behest of Ultra Magnus.... one of the Autobots takes the head of Galvatron before leaving.

    At the secret Autobot base Prime and other watched the battle.... and Peacemaker fills in Prime on who Holocaust is, and about the Trans'masters. Optimus Prime then sends out an open signal message to all Transformers calling for an end to the war.... he makes his stand.... stating he will no hence fight with force against anyone on either side who continues the fighting. And, for any Autobot or Decepticon to join who wants to fight for peace. Many Decepticons defect... and more Autobots join. Peacemaker, who is near death from his battle with Holocaust wishes Prime luck on his new mission in life.... and after he dies.... Prime names his new faction.... The Peacemakers.
     
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    I've kicked around an idea for a 3rd faction for a long time now. Basically, the youngest, newest generation of Decepticons and Autobots that had only recently come online (recently being a relative term when it comes to TFs) come to question how and why they've gotten drawn into a war that began millions of years before they were even born. They would meet secretly at first, returning to their respective camps afterwards each time, but slowly forming the basis for their own group and breaking away.
    They see their former leaders and the armies they control as being responsible for the current condition of Cybertron. Their aim would be to strike at the leaders of both factions, to bring a quick end to the war using any means necessary. I'm not sure who could be leader of such a faction. It'd have to be someone young, obviously, with little attachment to their leader. Actually, I kind of figured it'd be led by 2 people- a bot and con cooperating mutually. And unlike all other bot/con team-ups, this time it would last. There wouldn't be any last minute betrayal by the 'cons. They'd have to be serious about being fed up with Megatron/Galvatron and his war.
     
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    Let's do some improv here.

    Alright, the Combaticons break from the Decepticons to join the German military, so creating the robot/human alliance called the Teutonoids, an army built of gestalt combiner drones, making Germany the most feared enemy possible. Though the army would be built and based off of the Combaticons, there would be more variants of combinations and transformers. They would all take an alternate mode that corresponds with the vehicle they are, yet from the German military, giving Bruticus a new look, and possibly attitude. The combaticon drones could also be human piloted, and auto-piloted as well, giving them the edge with unmanned attacks.

    I could sit and think of more, but there's a pretty neat idea off the top of my head, even though I'm not sure it's exactly what he asked for in the original post.
     
  20. Wingwolf77

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    I feel that after the war and total war state there would be need of government. Naturally the Autobots would rule to start But over time when the war is not the most important issue. I think the robots who live in peace would start to question are the Autobots still needed? So sup groups would form maybe city states again. And maybe a group like the Maximals come about to show that they can run the planet and be like the autobots but not so military focused. They they will explore space and provide defence.
    Naturally this doesn't work for former Decepticons and if being Decepticon is out lawed then maybe former memebers of the Predicons negotiate terms to form their own city state where like minded bots who disagree with the current government go.

    Over all this is a story that I think should be explored. How ever it is decided that we go from Autobots to Maximals being the dominate power on Cybertron.
     

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