Transformers vs Visionaries #1

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  1. HeroicC300

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    First one to post about this issue? Wow...

    ANYway, I'm curious to see where this goes and I like how the Visionaries interact with each other as well as the Transformers. It ends with a gut punch that I'm sure people will hate, and puts one character up to plate that is a bit of a surprise considering how much Scott used him as a background character in her stuff.

    I'll post later with what my dad thinks of this because he really likes Visionaries
     
  2. maku098

    maku098 Hasbro hates swords everyone

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    They actually killed Kup. What.

    They even gave him an In Memoriam page.
     
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    Well. That doesn't sound like a good way to endear Visionaries to Transformers fans!

    Time to reboot the universe.
     
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    Done for so called "shock value" no doubt.

    Not happy that it happened in the first issue of this. Glad I'm skipping it.

    There's been a high casualty list of late in IDW for some reason.
     
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  5. maku098

    maku098 Hasbro hates swords everyone

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    That's what I dislike. The fact that it's in the very FIRST issue of a new series.

    Didn't expect something similar to what the cover depicts to actually happen this EARLY
     
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    This is how Ian becomes a herald of Unicron.
     
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    I'd rather kup had died fighting Unicron then this
     
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    Are you fucking kidding me.
     
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    Hmm, the book itself was a reasonable start I thought. The play off between the peace and war factions from each side was quite interesting. It’s not Visionaries as I remember it from my limited exposure but on its own merits it’s okay *so far*.

    BUT

    It seems very foolish editorially to allow a major character to be killed off so early in a completely untested series.

    I did think at the end “oh he’ll get out of that” but then they had the in memoriam page which kind of settles it. Or should if there is any- haha- narrative integrity to comics.
     
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    I wanted to give this series a chance because I enjoyed Rom vs. Transformers: Shining Armor, but I don't think I'll be buying the next issue. It's not that I actually liked Kup(in fact I'm on record of saying I dislike him and that hasn't changed), I just feel like it's kind of disrespectful to kill off any character with a fairly large presence from another franchise in a crossover meant to put your series on the proverbial map.
     
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  12. GWolfv2

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    Kup dying doesn't bother me at all. But I've NEVER seen an editorial like that at the end of a book. Anyone else ever experienced one? It's seems so unusual.
     
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    Is it wrong for me to say that I didn’t hate this?

    Kup dying was a good way to give this story some weight, even though we have an idea that things might more or less workout in the end. But we don’t know EXACTLY how. And it wasn’t graphic like the cover with Ironhide, instead he just simply turned to stone.

    There’s four issues left, so a lot could happen.

    Admittedly I did find that a little weird, but I guess it helped give a finality to Kup’s death.
     
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    Nope, not wrong at all. I quite liked the book in and of itself.
     
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    I always saw kup as a poor mans Ironhide. Having said that he is a major character and don't think he shouldve died here especially since he survived the DU and all that jazz.

    Its weird having a memorium. Its like they are telling us yes he's dead he isn't coming back
     
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    I have no issue with Kup dying in principle, but for it to happen as a cheap shock at the end of the first issue of a mini-series by a different writer to the one who's had "ownership" of him for the past three years is just rubbish.
     
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    So an established TF character is killed for a shock value to promote a completely different title?

    Is this supposed to entice TF fans to throwing money at you IDW or what?

    One silly idea after another.

    Also, get rid of this incompetent hack of a writer. And who let her to break a long time TF character for use in actual TF comic books, lovely? Because the nameslaps of the Not-Visionaries franchise failure are that important?


    This better end with the death being undone somehow.


    Looks like In the end this is shaping to be exactly this shit tier endeavor I was expecting it to be.
     
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    Before people start pointing pitchforks in the wrong direction, Mags just mentioned on Twitter that having the shock death was something IDW requested, not something that came from her.
     
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    Well I kinda figured something like this would happen. And unfortunatly it's a dumb ass idea for getting the Visionaries over. Because here's the thing. There are a hell of a lot more Transformers fans than Visionaries fans. And some of those Transformers fans have been getting increasingly frustrated with Transformers being used constantly in attempts to springboard other, less succesful properties. Let's face it Visionaries is a footnote in Hasbro History, and Transformers is one of the main chapters. So it's going to be pretty upsetting to see major Transformers killed off, or pretty much anything done to the Transformers in an attempt to convince us the Visionaries are a big deal.

    Also Death does not equal Depth in a story.

    And on the Visionaries side, I can understand their fans who are upset about the changes. Simply put there's not a lot of Visionaries stuff to begin with. Yeah IDW has taken Transformers all sorts of places. But remember back when the G1 revivial started it hewed much closer to the original story and characterizations. When the comics went to IDW and they started doing something different, it was good because we'd seen the classic take so much and it was time to try and experiment. Visionaries hasn't had nearly as much development as a franchise.
     
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    I'm going to eat my words and apologise, in this case.

    But now I'm even more puzzled about what IDW are thinking... o_O 
     
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