hello all im new to this board. and basically i have a few questions about g1 transformers and beast machines and some definition of terms. recently i have been at the transformers wiki database and i now realize that there are serveral continuities of transformers. US animated g1 timeline Marvel comic timeline beast era timeline (which is based of the comic continuity) japanese beast era animated timeline japanese animated g1 timeline (headmasters etc.,) in the animated series there is no mention of sparks or primus. the quintessons made the transformers. the whole primus and unicron thing is confusing. to further complicate things is the Oracle and cybertron having an organic core. in the cartoon unicron was made by an ape-like mutant called primacon and the oracle was the assistant to the ape-mutant. transformers wiki does a decent job of explaining it though. Organic core - Transformers Wiki - Transformers 2, Animated, Toys then there is the "the first robots that came to cybertron had to learn how to transform" makes the timeline more complicated. then there is the oracle which there are several explanations for in the wiki http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Oracle_(G1) and lastly the "de-evolving" of primal in beast machines. bwtf.com did have an explanation but i forgout what it was. so we have The Matrix, The All Spark, Spark, Primus, Quintessons, Unicron,The Oracle and Cybertron having an organic core. and i see that there was a mini comic series that continues the story after beast machines too. it would be nice if it got animated with the orginal cast. where primal is brought back from the dead by primus. personally i think that somebody should take the dialogue from beast wars beast machines, g1 cartoon, and the marvel comics and create a timeline guide to make sense out of all of it. this guy at imdb.com gives a good explanation. IMDb :: Boards :: "Beast Machines: Transformers" (1999) :: Beast Machines - The Greatest Transform... but i can sort of understand why some don't like beast machines. i personally think its a great FINAL chapter to the beast era that begins with season 1. i read somewhere in the wiki that the quintessons where in league with unicron and the quintessions turned a natrual earth-like planet into cybertron. this would tie in the cartoon series but then where would primus fit in? you see the whole backstroy to g1 & beast wars is so convoluted and complicated that the average viewer will not get it.