Transformers Respect: Power Tiers

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  1. Cobalt Agent

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    You know what's awesome? Transformers is awesome.

    Anyway, I thought this'd be a neat little topic. Ranking Transformers across the multiverse/fiction by impressiveness and feats, and sheer power. I think people seldom realize just how impressive if not amazing the prominent characters and not-so-prominent characters of the brand are. Unicron *ate* the multiverse. Primus blew up a multiverse-destroying black hole with a giant gun. IDW Galvatron regenerates and is a harbinger of death.

    Based on observations and official fiction, how should Transformers be ranked in power and/or strength? For instance, I Consider things like weapons blasts, physical strength, and other powers. I'll update my list with suggestions as well. :) 

    Tier 1: Nigh-gods
    Flaternity: Gestalt being resulting from two-dimensional beings' evolution; replaced Alternity.

    Alternity: Higher dimensional beings with power above Primus and Unicron. Capable of warping reality, removing dimensions, controlling time, and one-shotting entire multiverses.

    "The One": Created Unicron and Primus...

    Unicron: Can only lose to Primus or Primus-powered objects like the Matrix. A dark god, chaos incarnate. Proven more powerful than Primus and his better in combat. Fought across different planes of existence. His very being can corrupt beings and exterminate life. He ate the first multiverse then slept through the resulting Big Bang. He then woke up and started destroying the new multiverse. After being tricked by Primus, he's molded his comet prison into a robotic planet capable of turning into a planet-sized robot. He eats planets, rapes minds, warps reality, travels through time, moves through dimensions by traveling through black holes, and can grow in size at will. He can create armies of heralds and pull beings from different points in time and space. He's eaten 22.56% of the fifteen quadrillion concurrent universes of the TF multiverse. Like Primus he's a multiversal singularity. Nigh-omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent.

    Primus: Almost Unicron's equal in power. Fought Unicron across planes of existence. A god of light, a representation of order. Upon possessing a metal asteroid, he shaped his body into Cybertron. Primus, like Unicron is a multiversal singularity. He should seemingly have the same powers as Unicron.
    -In Transformers Cybertron his power made Starscream grow into a giant with the power to enlarge at will. He blew up the Unicron Singularity. He used planets as melee weapons.

    Optimus Supreme: Combination of Energon Optimus Prime and Omega Supreme; infused with the power of Primus, grew to the size of Unicron and defeated him in battle.

    Tornadron: An energy counterpart to cartoon Unicron. Defeated the combined efforts of the Autobot and Decepticon primitives, including Trypticon.

    Hytherion: Hytherion's natural sustenance is time itself.

    Tier 2: Cities, Combiners, and Powerhouses
    Fortress Maximus: One of the largest and most powerful Autobots. The same league of power as Scorponok.
    -Cartoon Fortress Maximus: Beat Scorponok and Zarak decisively.
    -Marvel Fortress Maximus: Bested Galvatron in combat.

    G1 Scorponok: Largest Decepticon. In scorpion mode, tail shoots 100,000 volt electric bursts, has twin pulse blasters, claws can crush mountains. In defense base mode, has semi-autonomous armored interceptor with dual photon cannons that patrol the base perimeter. In robot mode, has fusion-powered anti-gravity gun.

    G1 Metroplex: The very ground trembles when he unleashes the explosive energies of his weaponry. His armor is the equal of any Transformer's; to merely scratch it would require at least a low-yield nuclear explosion. He has left shoulder-mounted twin high-energy MASER (microwave amplification through stimulated emission of radiation) cannons. His battle station mode makes him virtually untouchable. In this mode, Metroplex can have up to 12 pieces of artillery blazing away simultaneously. In addition to the previously mentioned MASER cannons, ion-pulse rifles and missile launchers, he's equipped with twin independent mounted disruptor rays on top, capable of interfering with electric currents within a target's body; two laser lances; and two front-mounted anti-matter projectors, the most powerful of all his weapons, which are capable of producing and shooting minute packets of anti-matter that obliterate anything upon contact. His Marvel profile states he can lift 70,000 tons, and his Dreamwave profile states that though some Transformers can crack a mountainside he can actually lift one.
    -Marvel Metroplex: He swatted around a Quintesson fleet.
    -Cartoon Metroplex: Casually tosses mountains and bests Trypticon.

    Trypticon: Impervious to most physical attacks. Can jump 20 miles.
    -Cartoon Trypticon: Carried Fort Knox, the Taj Mahal, the Eiffel Tower, and the Kremlin. He can shatter mountains.

    Galaxy Convoy w/ Vector Prime's sword: Killed Master Galvatron.

    Master Galvatron: Suped-up Master Megatron. Still has Unicron's armor and Unicron-endowed powers. Defeated Super Starscream.

    Super Starscream: Cybertron Starscream, upon absorbing power from Primus. Ability to grow in size and almost defeated Master Galvatron.

    Prima: Prima's Star Saber sword was a weapon unlike any other. Though several other swords throughout the multiverse share its name, only one could snuff out stars and crumble the stuff of planets into dust.

    Vector Prime: Controls and guards the Space-time continuum. He tears in reality and moves from universe to universe.

    Nexus Prime: Saved a star from death and defeated Omega Doom.

    Omega Doom: Can kill stars/solar systems with his missiles.

    Powermaster Optimus Prime: In robot mode he can combine with his trailer module and more than double his size and quadruple his strength.
    Marvel Powermaster Optimus Prime: Fought Galvatron to a standstill with the advantage.

    Rodimus Prime: He possesses acute military prowess. Rodimus Prime is an expert tactician with exceptional maneuverability in battle. He bears the Autobot Matrix of Leadership which he's used to defeat Galvatron and Unicron.
    Cartoon Rodimus Prime: Beats Galvatron's ass on a daily basis.

    Master Megatron: Enhanced powers from Unicron's armor, such as lightning blasts from his palms, the ability to resurrect fallen soldiers, and spawn evil clone servants. He survived a dimensional tear closing in on him and forced it back open.

    Armada Megatron w/ Darksaber: He killed an incarnation of G1 Galvatron.

    G1 Galvatron: Usually a suped-up Megatron but not always. He can physically pulverize an Autobot into scrapmetal. His cannon laser emits chemically-produced, direct-current electricity.
    -Cartoon: Galvatron literally petrifies Starscream with a single shot, and is seemingly invincible while allied with Unicron. In cannon mode he blew up planets Thrull and Goo. He literally drove the planet Torkulon insane with his madness. He survived a year in a plasma bath. He's one-shotted Omega Supreme. His only rival is Rodimus Prime.
    -Marvel:
    --Galvatron 1: Also destroyed Starscream. Traveled back in time and beat himself, Megatron, in combat. After steeling a time trigger he could time travel. Defeated Tracks, Ironhide, Jetfire and Smokescreen simultaneously after laughing off their combined attacks, survived being entombed in lava, beat the shit out of the Seacons AND Piranacon, embarrasses the Wreckers. Defeated Ultra Magnus several times. Loses half his face and fights Power Master Optimus Prime to a standstill. It took a tear in time and space to kill him.
    --Galvatron 2: Conquered the Americas and killed Rodimus Prime. He succesfully lied to Primus' face. He survived being swatter by Unicron through a building and onto Cybertron without a scratch. Survived the Ark's second crash into Earth and walked away. He owned Shockwave via his head into a wall.
    -IDW: Galvatron is an ancient Cybertronian. He becomes undead and becomes the bearer of Death's Touch and harbinger of unlife, ending life upon touch.

    Shockaract: Infused with Unicron's power.
    -Botcon Shockaract: became so powerful he fended off the best of Beast Wars and G1 heroes and villains at once, as well as members of the Covenant.

    Jhiaxus: Immensely powerful, super-evolved Decepticon Seeker.
    -Marvel Jhiaxus: Beat the hell out of G2 Megatron in one-on-one combat, pummeled Optimus Prime, and was only stopped by the Swarm.

    G1 Megatron w/ Heart Of Cybertron: Generated enough power to wipe out all the Autobots single-handedly; emits streams of energy from hands/energy blasts.

    G1 Megatron (Heavy Metal War): Has the powers of all the Decepticons and defeats Optimus Prime.

    G1 Optimus Prime: He can lift 4,000,000 pounds and exert a force of 12,000 pounds per square inch with a single punch. Bears the Autobot Matrix of Leadership.
    -Cartoon Optimus Prime: He held up the 90,000 ton Washington Memorial, lifted up and threw an oil tanker while in the water, and casually lifts boulders out of the ground and hurls them. He's defeated the Hate Plagued Rodimus Prime even without the Matrix. He's driven through the full brunt of the Decepticon forces, and has beaten Megatron's ass on multiple occasions. He survived being shot down mid-flight by the Decepticon's battle ship, and fell through the stratosphere square into the earth, only to get up and shrug it off without a scratch saying he's fine. He clobbers multiple Decepticons simultaneously, survives shielding humans from a huge explosion and the combined attacks of the Seekers at once, then survives a huge chain reaction explosion in his on chest cavity. He's one-shotted Devastator on one occasion.
    -Dreamwave Optimus Prime: He decisively defeats the huge Devastator on his own.
    -IDW Optimus Prime: Defeated Sixshot and Galvatron.

    G1 Megatron (base): Optimus Prime's equal. His fusion cannon can convert any small amount of matter into large quantities of explosive nuclear energy. The cannon can fire a blast up to 12 miles and release enough energy to flatten a small town. Megatron can use his internal circuitry to connect the cannon interdimensionally with a black hole, where it can draw on anti-matter as its power source. The blast from this is far greater, but it creates a tremendous strain on Megatron to do this for even one blast.
    -Cartoon Megatron: A weak punch from Megatron caused the 90,000 ton Washington Memorial to crack and fall over, and he casually moved the Lincoln Memorial. Megatron wrestled with Grimlock's dinosaur mode. He won a battle royal against Starscream, Blitzwing, Astrotrain and Devastator. He could fly at a speed of 600mph while drunk on energon. Megatron held anti-matter energon in his chest until it went critical, and survived the explosion upon expulsion. Megatron was at ground-zero of a *planet-moving explosion* and survived with only a few cracks in his armor. He survived being submerged in lava.
    -Marvel Megatron: Trying to hit Prime, the force from his own punch sent him flying for 200 yards. Megatron took warheads the equivalent of 1,200 lbs of TNT and didn’t move an inch. He endured the US Army’s entire arsenal for 15 minutes using every form of artillery short of nuclear weapons and emerged from the smoke smiling and without a scratch. In a weakened state, his fusion canon sent Shockwave flying for miles over Oregon. Megatron endured the brute strength of all Dinobots continuously only to get up enraged and defeat them all. He bested the Predacons, got his face blown off by Predaking, then destroyed Predaking with a single shot from his fusion cannon. On several occasions his fusion cannon ruined Optimus Prime’s arm, one time destroying most of his left arm crippling him, and the other completely erasing his right arm below the elbow. His inner thoughts reveal that all his troops would be destroyed as collateral damage if he fired his cannon past them towards Optimus Prime.
    -IDW Megatron: Megatron swatted jets away and crushed tanks underneath his fists. He endured the force of Devastator's fists blow for blow.

    IDW Overlord: Considered a "phase-sixer" by Megatron, a powerful warrior sent to destroy planets on the brink of collapse. He virtually destroyed the Wreckers and fought till he was a walking skeleton.

    Sixshot: Has 6 forms: robot, armored carrier (with twin laser batteries), ramming-tank (with infra-red rangefinder and target tracker), jet-propelled laser pistol, star fighter (maximum speed: 80,000 mph; range: .8 million miles), and wolf-creature modes. Only the wolf creature has no need for Sixshot's 2 hypersonic concussion blasters, the wolf mode prefers to rip apart enemy Autobots with his razor fangs.
    -Cartoon Sixshot:Single handedly dispatched of the Aerialbots.
    -IDW Sixshot: Destroyed an entire world. Considered a "phase-sixer" by Megatron, a powerful warrior sent to destroy planets on the brink of collapse.

    Sky Lynx: In space shuttle mode he can reach speeds of 30,000, in dinobird mode 250 mph. He can shoot a stream of fire from his mouth and hit a target up to 3 miles away. In puma mode, he can leap up to 1.5 miles at a time. In all modes, he has great strength and is impervious to all but the most powerful energy beam weapons and artillery.
    -Cartoon: Sky Lynx has consistently bested Predaking and the Predacons in combat.

    Predaking: He can lift 500 tons without straining a circuit. He reacts to any movement he sees within .002 seconds. He can generate a powerful electric field about himself that dampens or repels any energy-based beams and prevents other Transformers from approaching any closer than 10 feet. One punch from his fist can shatter a 50-foot reinforced concrete cube. He wields a powerful X-ray laser cannon, whose blast has the equivalent explosive force of 100 tons of TNT.
    -Dreamwave Predaking: Predaking KOs Bruticus in 1-on-1 combat.
    -G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers Predaking: Predaking defeated Piranacon.

    Piranacon: He can hold up to 4,000,000 tons, making him ideal for lifting freighters and various warships from the sea. He is fully operational up to a depth of 30,000 feet below sea level.

    Underbase Starscream: Upon absorbing the power of the Underbase, Starscream proceeded to deactivate everyone, including the likes of Omega Supreme.

    G1 Omega Supreme: A blow from one of his arms can shatter a mountainside. With his clawed arm he can lift 300,000 tons. The plasma blaster on his other arm can pulverize a solid 12' × 12' × 12' steel cube. His armored form is virtually impervious to all non-nuclear explosives and energy-beam weapons. Has bested Devastator in combat.

    G1 Sunstorm: Mutant clone of Starscream.
    -Dreamwave Sunstorm: Created so much power, he required Omega Supreme to be beaten.

    Defensor: He can lift 300,000 (150 tons) pounds with one hand. He is impervious to most artillery. He can surround himself and a 50-foot circle around him with a protective force-field. He wields a fireball cannon, which shoots 2000 degree Fahrenheit bursts of blue fire up to 1.5 miles.
    -Cartoon Defensor: One-shotted Bruticus, blowing him into pieces.

    Computron: He can lift up to 240 tons. He is armed with Scattershot's automatic acid-pellet gun, which shoots capsules containing a highly corrosive liquid that explodes on impact.
    -Cartoon: Consistently bests Abominus with his brains and tech.

    Abominus: Presumably can lift at least 100 tons.

    G1 Superion: Superion can fly at speeds up to 800 mph. His strength is formidable; he can demolish a battleship with one blow. The stress fracture cannon he carries shoots a beam that locates and then overloads the natural fracture lines in any object it hits. The result can be anything from cracking open a peanut shell to causing a small earthquake.

    Menasor: He can punch with a force of 140 tons. His armor is nearly impervious to all but the most powerful artillery. He uses Motormaster's cyclone gun to blow through Autobot barriers and carries a silver sword to slice through whatever's left.
    -Cartoon Menasor: He demolished Bruticus with a single strike.

    G1 Bruticus: He can pulverize a suspension bridge with one 14,000 psi punch. He can lift up to 500,000 pounds (250 tons). He uses Onslaught's powerful sonic stun-gun, which can smash a hillside to dust with a single blast. His armor is impervious to most artillery and radiation.
    -Cartoon Bruticus: He had the upper hand in a fight with Devastator and defeated him.

    G1 Devastator: Combined might of the Constructicons. He can knock down a bridge with one punch. His solar energy rifle shoots a 10,000 degree centigrade heat beam a distance of six miles.
    -Cartoon Devastator: He's defeated the Dinobots on several occasions.

    G1 Shockwave: Shockwave's power is second only to Megatron's. His total command of the electromagnetic spectrum allows him, in his ray-gun mode, to emit a coruscating beam of energy in a wide variety of forms: high-energy explosive gamma rays, x-rays that allow him to see through almost anything, blinding visible light, super-hot infrared rays and radio waves that can either send messages or jam other radio signals are but a few of the weapons in Shockwave's arsenal.
    -Marvel Shockwave: At full power he was able to defeat a weakened Megatron. He fought Scorponok to a standstill. He defeated the Dinobots.

    G1 Grimlock: Most powerful Dinobot. Grimlock's strength is second only to Optimus Prime's.
    -Cartoon Grimlock: Grimlock was able to fight evenly with Megatron, grappling/wrestling with him.

    IDW Arcee: Threat Level 9, cut through the Combaticons on her own.

    G1 Starscream (base): Starscream is one of the fastest flyers of the Decepticons, reaching speeds up to Mach 2.8. He can climb to sub-orbital altitudes of 52 miles and nose-dive down to near ground level in mere minutes. This makes him particularly effective in surprise attacks and hit-and-run actions. He can shoot cluster bombs a distance of 40 miles, each of which can level an area 10,000 feet square. His null-ray rifle can interrupt the flow of electricity in any circuitry it hits for periods of up to two minutes, effectively preventing the operation of many machines dependent on those circuits during that period.
    -Cartoon Starscream: Took out Skyfire with a single shot, punks Shockwave, and wins a battle-royal for leadership over all Decepticons in Megatron's absence. His spark is abnormal, effectively giving him immortality even without his body and can possess bodies.

    Tier 3: Everyone else? =P
    Brawn: He can lift up to 190,000 lbs (95 tons) and knock down a small building with one punch. His endurance and resistance to artillery fire are among the highest of the Autobots.

    Chop Shop: Can lift 30 tons.

    Huffer: Although lacking weapons, he is extremely strong and can lift 40,000 pounds (20 tons).
    -Cartoon Huffer: Lifted a wooly mammoth.

    Ironhide: Ironhide's skin is made of a trithyllium-steel alloy impregnated with irradiated carbon fibers, giving him immunity to most forms of artillery and electromagnetic attacks. He is the most nearly invulnerable of the Autobots. His main weapon is what he playfully calls his "water gun." It can shoot a stream of any number of liquids up to 1,000 feet. His choices include supercooled liquid nitrogen, superheated liquid lead, and a petro-chemical fluid that ignites upon contact.
    -Cartoon Ironhide: Lifted a wooly mammoth.

    Sunstreaker: Sunstreaker wears a right shoulder-mounted, laser-guided, ground-to-air missile launcher. Each missile is the equivalent of 450 lbs. of TNT and can down a Decepticon jet fighter at a maximum distance of 37.5 miles. He also carries an electron-pulse gun capable of emitting at 300 bursts per second a beam of highly energized electrons (the high rate of emission makes it effectively a continuous stream of electrons). A sustained burst of 1.5 seconds will burn a 3 inch hole in a .5 inch-thick plate of titanium-alloy steel. His upper torso construction incorporates a tough polymer-steel skin, making him particularly resistant to artillery fire.
    -Cartoon Sunstreaker: Lifted a wooly mammoth.

    And this is just from memory! =P
     
  2. Greyley

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    Wow, that's a long post. (That's what she said, hur hur.)

    I would add IDW's Overlord somewhere in there. While his main strength is in psychological manipulation, he's also a phase sixer (job description: wiping out the entire population of a planet) who held his own against an entire team of Wreckers.
     
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    I think DOTM Sentinel Prime should be in tier 3.
     
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    Good one. I'll add him alongside another phase sixer, Sixshot.

    I haven't seen DOTM yet. From what I've seen of the first two films, Bayverse characters are extremely weak compared to others... What are Sentinel Prime's feats?

    I also added Hytherion, Omega Doom, Nexus Prime, and Prima w/ Star Saber.
     
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    Good, but you forgot to label Tier 3.
     
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    Uhm... no I didn't. =/ I mean, not technically.
     
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    Going off only the spotlight, I'd argue the IDW Arcee falls into tier 2. Threat level 9, seemingly able to cut through the Combaticons with ease, and the only reason Ultra Magnus bested her at the beginning was because of a lucky grenade throw.
     
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    Really? Cause the Fallen displayed exceptional power in his brief appearance, employing telekinesis to control a very large area absolutely. Stopped shells, diverted missiles, lifted tanks, and threw rocks at jets. The souped-up Optimus was apparently not vulnerable to these powers and won a brute-force victory very quickly.

    Sentinel Prime's main claims to fame are
    his rust cannon, which killed Ironhide by causing three not-apparently-lethal injuries rust and widen till he was formless junk, and by utterly beating Optimus in a fair fight. Movie Optimus is kind of a demented Decepticon-killing monster, so it makes an impression

    This is a very good post, filled with food-for-thought, so thank you! I have a hard time imagining that most other franchises can keep up with the breathless hyperbole of G1, but perhaps there are a few examples out there? I tend to think that Tigerhawk is exceptionally powerful.
     
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    I would create some more tiers and separate various characters a little more, as well as sticking to a single universe ... so if we look at G1 Cartoon/Marvel/IDW:

    Tier 1 - Unicron, Primus, "The One" (all Gods)
    Tier 2 - Tornatron (pure energy), The Thirteen (Nexus Prime, Alpha Trion, Vector, Prima, etc.), Unicron-controlled Galvatron, Matrix-powered Thunderwing
    Tier 3 - Optimus Prime, Megatron, Galvatron (non-Unicron), Straxus, Shockwave, Rodimus Prime, Sentinel Prime, Nova Prime, Nemesis Prime, Cyclonus (Unicron G1), Scourge (Unicron G1)
    Tier 4 - Fortress Maximus, Scorponok
    Tier 5 - Metroplex, Trypticon, Menasor, Bruticus, Pirahnacon, Computron, Abominus, Superion, Defensor, Predaking
    Tier 6 - Sixshot, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave, Starscream, Quickswitch, Cyclonus (non-Unicron), Scourge (non-Unicron)
    Tier 7 - everyone else
     
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    The thing about the movieverse is that it's characters are generally agreed upon by vs forums to be the weakest TF universe. They get killed by humans. That's pretty much enough said. The only Transformers I can think of killed in canon fiction was G1 Bumblebee, the weakest Autobot. And that was by GI Joe. Here's what happens to G1 Megatron when the entire US Army uses its entire non-nuclear arsenal on him-

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    To put it into perspective-

    G1 Megatron survived a planet-moving explosion, at ground zero, with only a few cracks in his armor
    Animated Megatron survived a city-destroying blast concentrated on his point with noticeable damage, but functional
    Prime Megatron got a hole blasted through his chest by an exploding space bridge and went into a coma, only surviving because of dark energon
    Movie Megatron got frozen entering the atmosphere... then killed by a kid. And yeah that kid shoved the allspark in his chest, but still... And then after getting a new body got raped by Prime despite having backup... And then dies again like a bitch.

    I think we can extrapolate from each series' Megatron the level of each Prime. The only inconsistency would be Animated Prime, however he proves capable of taking Megatron with his upgrades and the Magnus Hammer, so yeah.

    And about Prime... the Fallen couldn't kill him with all his might, but Megatron could with a cheap shot? Does that mean Megatron > the Fallen? Meh. Stopping shells really isn't impressive since most heavy hitters, like G1 Megatron shown above, wouldn't even be threatened enough by bullets to bother stopping them. And as for flipping tanks...

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    This same Megatron swatted jets away like bugs, forget throwing rocks at them.

    I just see Bayformers, regardless of what anyone thinks of the stories, as vulnerable to the lowest denominators. I mean, it took a nuke to stop Superion in IDW, and even dead his body was intact for study. I can accept Beast Wars characters getting killed by humans on a bad day, but Autobots and Decepticons? Just seems to me that Movie bots are incredibly underpowered. I mean, G1 Prime while in the water, lifted up and tossed a huge oil tanker at Megatron. I doubt Movie Prime could despite being much larger in size. G1 Prime fell from the atmosphere and crashed into the planet, and got right back up with no complications. Unless movie Prime was in his protoform mode I doubt he'd be alive after that, especially considering how Megatron was after entering Earth's atmosphere.

    As for Sentinel Prime... he sounds badass for beating Prime. However does his rust weapon use cosmic rust? If not then. Damn. Most Transformers aren't even vulnerable to rust/are rust proof. That'd make the movieverse even weaker in my book. =/

    And this is not coming from a G1 purist. Again I have Cybertron/Galaxy Force up there, even Alternity (XD).

    However, I do agree with Tigerhawk. I don't know where to place him but I remember the following- he fought BW Megatron w/ G1 Megatron's spark, obliterated the Predacon base instantly, he's got Vok powers, and he held off the Nemesis' fusion cannon for a while before being killed. I'd say that easily makes him the most powerful BW character there was.
     
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    Primal Prime and Shokaract are up there too. Primal Prime has Vok powers like Tigerhawk, and he was born from the Matrix itself. Though, I'm not sure if he was ever depicted doing anything really spectacular.

    Shokaract, though, was a low ranking Predacon who managed to find and infuse himself with Unicron's essence. Upon doing so, he became so frighteningly powerful that he ruled the entire galaxy without opposition, nothing any other Decepticon has ever (successfully) accomplished. The main BW TV cast, plus a lot of the toy-only guys, plus the G1 heavy hitters, plus some of the cosmic Transformers (the Covenant), all fighting him at the same time couldn't stop him. Only by having Primus' essence enter his body and fighting Unicron in the astral plane were they finally able to end him

    (that's going by the Botcon story. In the IDW story he was less powerful than that, and he was being consumed by Unicron rather than using his power for his own gain, but he still seemed to be unstoppable, and only died because he chose to end his own life when he realized what Unicron was doing)
     
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    Added Shockaract. How strong is Primal Prime? I know you said you don't know if he was depicted doing anything spectacular but I bet you know more than me anyway. All I know is that I've seen scans of him holding off tank Unicron.
     
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    Sure, I agree with your main point (and I think I did in my original post). However, I think you are underestimating the utility of telekinesis that extends over an entire theatre of battle. As for Optimus, I think it's implied that Jetfire gave him an extraordinary power boost. In the second fight he handles Megatron almost effortlessly.

    And I agree that Sentinel Prime isn't very high up there. You just had asked what he's done, that's all.

    Yeah, there's no comparison. However, I think what really edges him into the high tiers is his control over the elements. Just like the Fallen, I think a power like that has totally vast applications.

    You might also look up the comics Fallen, who theoretically is the same entity as the movie Fallen. The Fallen walked through the Autobot base, swatting aside dozens of Autobots who piled onto him. IIRC Grimlock managed to hit him once.
     
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    Marvel and IDW Thunderwing are both very powerful.

    G1(2) Jhiaxus is really powerful too.

    Almost all of the Masterforce and Victory characters put pretty much everything before them to shame too.
     
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    Cobalt Agent My dick kills dinosaurs

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    I've added Jhiaxus. I know he godstomped G2 Megatron. How powerful was Thunderwing in Marvel or IDW?

    Could you go into more detail on Victory/Masterforce?

    I also added IDW Arcee.
     
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    Alternity.
     
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    Cobalt Agent My dick kills dinosaurs

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    ...Yes?
    ...


    Anyway, I've watched some Victory and damn.

    God Ginrai =< Star Saber < Leo Kaiser < Victory Leo < Victory Saber

    I'll add that but damn I'd like to where Ginrai would place first..

    Also, I recall RID Galvatron/Devil Gigatron being more powerful than Omega Prime and beating him in that magma chamber. Where Omega Prime would place is thus up in the air.
     
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    Speaking of, how was War Within: The Dark Ages? I've been tempted to pick it up...

    Alternity-Transformers Wiki
     
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    Cobalt Agent My dick kills dinosaurs

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    I'm aware of that. Simply saying "Alternity" doesn't help me any, nor does linking to the wiki. I'm aware of the story, I still wouldn't know how to gauge that kind of power. They use avatars, and are higher-dimensional beings, and they oppose Hytherion. That's great and all, but it doesn't tell me that they're as powerful or moreso than Hytherion, their true abilities, and dude Alternity isn't a single character but a collection of them. You might as well post "Protector" or "Transtech". Can either of you maybe elaborate to the point where something can be added to the list? -_-'
     
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