Transformers Do Eat and Drink Like Humans Do?

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  1. psj333

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    In Transformers: Animated, we did seen Transformers like the Constructicons and Optimus's team who drank oil as their food. Why? From what I do know, robots do not need food or water to survive, but only energy.
     
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    Energon is some kind of Food group that Cyberton has to food.
     
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    oil isnt food. oil fuels machines. TF's are machines ergo, they can use oil to fuel themselves
     
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    They need fluids to lubricate their pistons and servos. Just like Cars need oil, transmission fluid and grease to keep all the moving parts moving smoothly. Otherwise, too much friction builds up in these parts - then they over heat - then they break down...

    The animation treats it like "food" just so that the audience can relate to it as something familiar.

    say word.
     
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    Pretty much what Longhaul said about the oil, but energon sounds like crack to me.

    "Energon-y goodness!"

    Yeah. That or Sentinel's specialer than I thought. But the twins DID work at energon refinery, and Bulkhead worked at an energon farm, so it's probably food.
     
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    I dunno why not... the movie showed that they can pee like humans do.
     
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    I gather that...

    food= energon
    drink= oil.
     
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    This.
     
  9. drrockso20

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    ^this
     
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    Coeloptera Big, bad beetle-bot

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    Okay, let me get a lil' pseudoscientific here.

    Obviously, hydrocarbon deposits contain energy. Those old trees, algae, and what-all spent their lives photosynthesizing and converting photons from the sun into energy and storing it as complex sugars. They die, get compressed, millions of years pass, blah blah blah, you get materials that release a decent amount of energy when oxidized, like coal, crude, and natural gas.

    We have hundreds of millions of machines on Earth that burn this stuff and liberate the energy (as well as losing some as waste heat) to power themselves. You mix the fuel with oxygen, add heat to create combustion, and viola, energy that can be converted to motive power, or that can converted and stored as electricity (often chemically in batteries, sometimes as current in wires).

    Now comes the pseudoscience. Transformers are complex machines that apparently have enormous energy demands. Since nuclear fuels are harder to come by and have side-effects (like radioactivity, the potential for EM interference, the potential for catastrophic failure, waste fuel storage or reprocessing) they aren't really a great option for mobile, sapient machines who might get into big fights.

    Fusion power is a better option, but you need deuterium (or something similar) and the process must be constantly sustained or it shuts down and needs to be restarted. Interrupt a fusion reactor or disrupt its magnetic containment system, and the whole reaction stops. On Earth, this is a great idea. We have lots of seawater to dope deuterium from and power plants don't need to move about the landscape so they can be very big. We can also EM shield them so they don't interfere with nearby electronic systems.

    But again, an individual Transformer's power output is phenomenal. Directed energy weapons, motive power, sensors, (often) flight, and their processors would be a huge demand on any energy source at the levels they operate at. So, they develop a solution.

    Total conversion technology is the ultimate dream. Liberate almost all the energy in any bit of matter and you'd have more power than most would know what to do with. But that's also dangerous. A fission/fusion bomb traipses at the edges of that neighborhood, but not really. A fusion bomb? maybe 0.03% of its mass converts to energy.

    Total conversion is absolutely, theoretically possible. We can't do it yet, but no established laws of physics seem to preclude it.

    But do you really want that going on inside your body? By the Pit, no!

    So, we get energon, and we get even more pseudoscientific. The cubes apparently do not totally convert matter to energy, but do so at a percentage much higher than we can with any existing Earthly technology. I couldn't guess at the (somewhat) stable medium used (the glowy pink stuff) but it obviously sheds photons almost constantly, which would mean that eventually, a cube could "run dry" after long enough storage, but really, that could be millions to billions of years, depending on the energy released versus energy stored. They don't seem to produce heat at all while stored, so it's likely not a lot of energy lost of photons.

    The stable medium is important. Notice that they blow up pretty good when you shoot them. Total conversion would mean each cube would be like a fusion bomb, so that's obviously not the case. But apparently it's a lot bigger than an equivalent mass of gasoline, hydrogen, TNT, or anything like that.

    A cube is some sort of ultratech, dedicated conversion device. That's all it does: converts and stores energy in a highly efficient form. But a Transformer has all sorts of other systems. However, nothing stops them from having a much less efficient internal system that can convert fuels with a high enough energy potential into a usable form. So they can take in oil, process it, and draw energy from it to be stored and used. Notice they can't eat coal, and the only ones who can eat, the G1 Insecticons, are treated like they have a super-power. Notice also that they only tend to eat plant material for fuel. Stored energy again.

    So, we can safely assume that a Transformer has some sort of internal conversion system similar to but much, much less efficient than the dedicated device, the energon cube. Additionally, as stated earlier, they'd use oils for lubricants, coolant, hydraulics, and so on.

    Finally, the mouth is a pretty good way of getting fuel into a system if that fuel isn't in the form of direct (or alternating) current or solar power. It works for animal life on Earth, after all. As sapient machines, having them experience pleasure of sorts from taking in fuel would encourage them to do so, just like the fact that food tastes good (and lack of food produces discomfort) encourages humans to eat.

    Humans get drunk when certain substances are introduced into their bloodstream and cross the blood-brain barrier. There's no reason to assume the same might not be true for sapient machines. There's lots of evidence mild alcohol consumption is very healthy for us. So a Transformer needs some sort of oil-like substance to function, but can also derive pleasure and an altered state of consciousness from higher consumption.

    And that, I think, is more thought than this subject deserved. :drunk 

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    well he didnt pee in the movie. he just copied the dog and opened a valve to release some of his machine lubricant
     

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