Transformer's afterlife?

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  1. Broskichicken

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    Hello, I have always been a fan of TF but not hardcore.

    The other day me and my friends were wondering what happens after a transformer dies? Is there an afterlife they go to, and if so do they live there forever and ever? Or nothing happens?
     
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    Well of All Sparks, usually.
     
  3. Broskichicken

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    So if say bumblebee dies, he as in the same one that died, goes to the well of all sparks?

    Do they live forever in the well of all sparks?
     
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    Something like that. I think it's different in Beast Wars.
     
  5. Chris McFeely

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    Most of this was predominantly established in fiction in the last fifteen years or so, but it stretches back to practically the start of the franchise via retcons.

    When a Transformer dies, their soul - called a "spark" in most stories - goes to an other-dimensional after-life realm that is known by several names - the "Matrix", the "Allspark" and the "Well of All Sparks". Each of these names is also the name of an object or place that can be used to access this realm (the famous Matrix of Leadership, the AllSpark cube from the movies and Animated, and the Well of All Sparks, a pit on Cybertron from which new Transformer life emerges) so it can be quite confusing, but as it was the "Beast Machines" animated series that cemented most of these details, and it most often called the realm "the Allspark", that's how most refer to it. Vector Sigma is another means of accessing this realm.

    To go a little further into it, the whole idea of Transformer life and the Allspark is cyclical. When a Transformer comes online, a spark leaves the Allspark (via the Well, the Matrix, the Cube, Vector Sigma, whatever) and fills that body with life. Then, when the Transformer dies, the spark returns to the Allspark, taking with it all the knowledge and life-experience of the Transformer, which merges with and becomes part of the communal, singular intelligence of the Allspark, forming the "Wisdom of the Ages". There is no individuality within the Allspark - all minds are one, as in "Till all are one." The only exception is for Transformers who have had close contact with the "sacred implements" used to access the AllSpark - like the Autobot leaders who had held the Matrix, or Alpha Trion who stewarded Vector Sigma. They get to retain their individuality within the Allspark, and serve as a guide for any visitors to that realm who may wish to consult the collected wisdom there, as we saw Rodimus Prime and Optimus Prime do in the G1 cartoon, or Optimus Primal do in Beast Machines, or even Sam in "Revenge of the Fallen".
     
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    So when the spark goes back to the Allspark, does the consciousness of the transformer that died go with it?
     
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    The Well of All sparks/The Matrix (if your a good Cybertronian)
    The Pit (if your a bad Cybertronian)
     
  8. Chris McFeely

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    Yeah, but it ceases to "be" upon merging with the rest of the Allspark. Transformer minds can also be preserved as datatrax - programming, if you will - and there's at least one documented case of a character's personality being copied into a new body that way and powered with another individual's life-force to create a "new" version of the dead character, but they're not actually the "same" without their own spark. It's a very vague, spiritual thing.

    Also to touch on what PrimusvsUnicron said above there, about there being a "good" and "bad" afterlife - while the Allspark is regarded in Cybertronian culture as being analgous to our "heaven", and "hell" is a realm Transformers call "the Pit", there's no proof that the Pit actually EXISTS, and isn't just the creation of their "religion" - all Transformers' sparks, good or bad, appear to go to the Allspark, as they are all children of Primus regardless of their faction.
     
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    What si you mean by "ceases to be"?
     
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    They lose their individuality. They don't "exist" anymore - all that they are becomes part of the great singular whole of the Allspark. Don't imagine it as a field of individual sparks frolicking and playing with each other - it's all one massive intelligence made up of the wisdom and experience of all Transformers.
     
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    What about in beast wars? A member posted that it is different
     
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    Nah, it was the Beast series that introduced the main elements of all this stuff that bound together a lot of different, conflicting depictions of death and the afterlife. What I've gone into is true for BW too.
     
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    Think of what is being said in "Buddhist terms",basically if you look at the transformers "Religion" in this way it will make more sense,basically there is an energy they come from,they are one with that energy,but they are a part of the whole,meaning they aren't that energy but are just a part of it,when they come to life they are "concience" of this world/universe but are still one with the energy but part of the whole with that energy,because everything is part of that energy trees, fish etc but they are only parts of it, parts of the "whole",like an engine is part of the car but it isn't the whole of the car but it's essential to it,when they die they go back to being one "concience" with the whole and have no concept of what we see in this world/universe but they have some kind of knowledge or concience it's just an impersonal type of concience,,,I hope that makes sense,but TF's seem to have more Buddhist influence then Christian influence,so it doen't make alot of sense to non buddhist..there is ,however, a little bit of christian influence,like a trinity,Primus (Jesus),The matrix (Holy Spirit) and Vecter Sigma/Allspark (the father), and Unicron (the devil) and the Pit (hell)..but think of it mostly in Buddhist terms (especially BM's) and it will make more sense.
     
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    I wished Cybertron continued. I wanted more afterlife Vector Prime vs Galvatron fights.
     
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    This
     
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    bumblebee 's spark reborn in into goldbug
     
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    so its like the freddy couger were all the souls from the people he kills makes up his flesh so in other words the allspark is made of sparks
     
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    The dead Autobots Previous leaders. Assist the newer leader when he needs help. Thru the Matrix and Vector Sigma.

    The Universe toy line fiction. Was all about Primus using dead sparks. To bring them back to life. In order to fight Unicron and the Decepticons.
     
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    In my own personal fan-canon, Galvatron is the only Transformer to be denied entry into the Well of All Sparks because he willingly allied himself with Unicron, who is, for all intents and purposes, the Transformers' Devil, and allowed his Spark to be tainted. But that's just me.
     
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    I'm not so sure that this is the 'definitive' awnser.

    First, the few times we've seen the inside of the allspark, there are a mass of sparks swimming around in there. Also, nowhere in any fiction does it say any transformers loses thier individual identidy. In fact, encounters between living tf's and thier dead friends/comerades across the various fictions suggests tf's DO maintain thier identidies after death (see Starscream and his 'unquenchable spark')

    Plus, some continuities have thier own, diffrent afterlife- see the comics and thier 'Jiwan' afterlife-esque concept. I often wonder if the idea they lose thier identidies- a concept similar to hinduism and buhddism- isn't actually a fan one.
     

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