Transformer stats: opinions, discussions, and the like

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  1. exomega255

    exomega255 Emerald Green

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    Just thought it would be something interesting to talk about. Is there any transformer stats and description that, when you read, you went "wtf? are they serious?"


    On a side rant: I always believe the alt mode of a transformer gives birth of Strength, Endurance, Speed, and Fireblast, while the transformer themselves have intelligence, skill, courage, and rank. I mean, just because you take on a certain vehicle mode, its not gonna change how stupid you were in the first place, right?


    Recently with all these transformers release, I find some stats to be absurd. One classic example is ROTF Ironhide, Recon Ironhide. How can they have a fireblast of 6? Ironhide's got 2 GIANT quad cannon, and Recon's armed like a small army. Or how can HA bumblebee have a fireblast of 3 when there are so many extra weapons on him?

    Is "speed" stats the same as reaction? How is it possible that Optimus, being a truck, is as fast as Starscream, a Jet?

    What about the inconsistency of having a stat of "10", "10+", and "infinity"? If say, Bruticus have a strength of 10, and so does Optimus, does that mean Optimus can wrestle Bruticus to a standstill? How can that be?

    edit:: before someone comes in and say I am complaining, I am not. I just thought it'd be amusing to look at stat allocation mistakes by HasTak, a thread hoping to entertain, that's all!
     
  2. Abrogate

    Abrogate Nondescript Former Poster

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    When I'm making my fanon, I tend to follow G1 tech specs closer than I do their media portrayal (get the intended personalities and go from there). I especially like classifying the rank stat.

    Take for instance, Jetfire. In the G1 cartoon, he was portrayed as a scientist unaware of the war, so he joined the Decepticons because he was old friends with Starscream, but he soon realized this was a mistake. This lead to his Dreamwave interpretation as a former Decepticon sympathizer that stubborn guys like Grimlock don't trust. And in the recent IDW stuff, they take his role as a scientist seriously, to the point where he's ineffective against a soldier like Vortex.

    Well, I scrap all that. Jetfire has a rank of 10. Just like Optimus Prime. You know what that means? It means Autobots don't mistrust him. When he says jump, they say how high sir?
     
  3. Anguirus

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    Heh, I like the idea of this thread. I was just opening Blurr and wondering as his Tech Specs...somehow Blurr has managed to fast-talk himself up to a rank of 9. Guess he's not taking any shit from Prowl any more.

    His speed is the appropriate 10, but comparing him to Dirge, who is an actual fighter jet, made me laugh...Dirge is like an 8.

    Actually, WfC Soundwave's an 8 too...seems a bit high.
     
  4. Anguirus

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    Alternatively, it could mean nobody listens to him at all, and he's the head of his own little army of one. ;) 

    That's about the only way to explain bots like Lockdown having ranks.
     
  5. Foster

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    Speed is one of the most messed-up ranks. The way I see it, you can really only compare the speed of aircraft against aircraft, land vs. land, off-road vs. off-road and beast vs. beast.
     
  6. Powersa

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    Most of the time I only look at 'Courage'...
     
  7. doomboy536

    doomboy536 Universe Onslaught fanboy

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    This. It makes the most sense. I also do something similar with firepower - I'm sorry Prime, I love you to pieces, but there is no way you have the same firepower as Fortress Maximus.
     
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    Megatron's Strength = 10
    Metroplex's Strength = 10

    Fail
     
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    Considering the Speed stat, specifically, I take that to meaning the speed of the robot mode. Alt mode specs are, or should be for the most part, appropriate to that alt mode.
     
  10. exomega255

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    I believe Speed is more really just "how fast you go" with respect to this stats... since "reaction" I just consider that as part "speed" and part "skill" (intermed stat)

    Other things that's kinda weird, are mostly having to do with combiners. Just from pure stats you don't get how imposing they are suppose to be. I mean, combaticons each have like Firepower of 8-10, but combined they only have 10?

    I have no idea what Generations blurr's stats are but I have a feeling I will be able to make fun of it.
     
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    Good points. You almost want to use a scale like robot mode height to compare two TFs as far as strength or fireblast. G1 Brawn was tough, he could even tee off against Megatron, but he wasn't Metroplex tough.
     
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    Did WFC Soundwave get more powerful when he adopted an Earth mode? His strength was a 4 on Cybertron, but raised to an 8 on Earth?:lol 

    Mass Shifting must turn Cybertronians into powerhouses!
     
  13. grimlock1972

    grimlock1972 "No Mas" My Wallet

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    Yah the firepower/ Fire blast thing is all over the place. my favorite example of someone underrated in fire power is G1 Roadbuster.
     
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    With the physical stats, I always assumed there would have to be a lot of "relative to" modifiers, if the characters were using those stats in-universe. For instance, "relative to every other character with [x] function who is [y] size, this character has a STR of [z]" or "relative to every other character with [w] function who has [x] number of weapons and [y] type of weapons, this character has a FRP of [z]".

    The one stat that stands out as being objectively messed up for me is Rank. Just quickly checking the Resources section, there are only 147 toys with a Rank of 5 or less. And since some of those represent the same character with more than one toy (eg - Skids, Mudflap), the actual number of characters with below average Rank is less. If everyone else has above average Rank, who exactly are all these people commanding? Are the Autobots and Decepticons just top-heavy organizations? Focusing on just a small group, 4/6 of the G1 Seacons have a Rank of 6 or higher. So, Snaptrap commands the whole team, then Overbite/Seawing/Tentakil all share being second-in-command and boss Nautilator around, while Nautilator is in charge of Skalor?

    And then there are some odd individual Rank stats, like in the RotF line, where Supreme Devastator and Starscream both have a Rank of 9. So, Devastator has the same level of authority in the Decepticon organization as Starscream? Did they just give him a high Rank to avoid getting on his bad side?

    I generally agree but, playing devil's advocate here, I think one needs to consider the type of weapon(s) and how powerful each individual weapon is. Sure, HA Bumblebee might have a bunch of weapons on him but, if each individual weapon isn't very powerful, then he'll have a low FRP. To use an analogy, who would you say has more firepower: A human with 10 Deringers or a human with 1 AK-47 assault rifle? The same thing holds for Recon Ironhide, who has a lot of weapons but each one individually may not necessarily be all that powerful.
     
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  15. Hyperoptic

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    Unless you level it off to robot modes within a combat situation.
     
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    It was always odd how incompetent they made the 1987 & 1988 transformers who had nebulan partners. especially the 3 autobot 1988 powermasters.
    the bio story basically made it seem like those robots desperatly needed those nebulan partners.
     
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    They should really approach these things with a Maximum and a Minimum.

    Maybe Metroplex is a 10, and Wheelie is a 1. And from there on, everything's relative. Then along comes Fort Max and busts the scales.

    I've never paid attention to these statistics. But it might be nice, even if just for one series they took it seriously.
     
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    hasbro having optimus primes speed at "4" made no sense.

    trucks have huge powerful engines & have the ability to go faster than regular cars.

    what makes trucks go slower. is the load capacity there hauling. this shouldn't effect optimus as he always drives with a empty trailer.
    Also DMV & the cops enforce that trucks go slower than cars on streets & highways.
     
  19. MasterpieceMP33

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    this is ironhide...weapons specialist. fireblast should be 10+++
     
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    I've noticed that as well, but... we really dont see that many characters in the franchise. Oh yes, there are well over 100 characters in just G1 alone, and that's before you even get to the Micromasters and Japanese stuff. And that seems like a big number for a fictional series, if you're expected to focus on every character (which we clearly aren't).

    But, for a series that focuses on a planet's entire race, who have since left that planet and occupied other worlds, there's gotta be more than just a few hundred citizens. Obviously, the guys who get made into toys are the ones worth mentioning. We see a lotta generics in the comics, and we see a lotta Seeker and Reflector clones in the cartoon. If we don't even know those guys' individual names, then they probably aren't ranked very high.

    I also noticed that in 1984, and some of the subsequent years, the Minibots tended to outrank the normal car and jet guys (i.e. Bumblebee having a 7, despite being characterized as a younger guy, while Sunstreaker and Thundercracker have 5s, despite being experienced and skilled soldiers). It seems to me that they wanted the smaller toys to -appear- more appealing, so they put them over the larger toys (not that it matters; a parent whose low on funds would be more likely to buy the smaller one... maybe they just want the kid to actually like the smaller character when they're saddled with it).

    Roller, a repair bay, and a bunch of computers = empty? (not to mention the number of times he hauled around the other Autobots)
     

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