Transform and Roll Out Hova (Masterpiece-Style Jazz)

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  1. redrum2581

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    i don't like it, the cartoon renders are terrible imho, also they were just overly long commercials to sell the toys, though today's cartoons have gotten better in graphics and content, they're still commercials designed to sell the toys, ie the toon is wrong because it should look more like the toy instead of the reverse
     
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    Jeeze man, no need to get hostile. I just did it for a bit of fun, who says it couldn't still do both? I think this forum is toxic too often. Might get off it for a while. And what you said barely makes sense. You complained it was a toy commercial, then said how awesome to toy was. And it's a beloved show. Whatever I'm just ganna go.
     
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    i wasn't being hostile at all, if that's what you got out of it then i apologize, i was simply stating my opinion like you, and no the show sucked i'll give you it's beloved but looking back it sucked, how does explaining that tv shows are made to sell the toy and talk about how awesome the toy is not make sense? what i was trying to convey and you might just need to read it 2x is that the show should look more like the toy it was trying to sell, the same goes for today, there's a reason walmart had a standard policy of not carrying toy lines that didn't have a show associated with them(lego was their exception until the Marvel legends line got big). relax have fun and enjoy the forums, most of us are far from hostile, and opinions are just that opinions, do i dislike your's, yes, so what regardless this looks like a fatastic toy that can beloved by many, i'm all in for him he's Jazz my fav character
     
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    G1 toys were designed to be appealing and eye catching. Cartoon colour schemes were much more plain than the toys itself. So I never understood why do Has/tak release figures in cartoon scheme first. They clearly know that the majority of us here would rather get the toy colours over the cartoon colours
     
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    And that right there is where you are wrong. There is zero evidence to indicate there are more “toy” fans than “toon” fans. If anything the ever increasing success of the official Mp line and Takara’s ever increasing trend for toon accuracy could be seen to suggest the opposite. But we really don’t know either way.
    The reality is that far more kids came to the toys via the cartoon. Far fewer first got the toys and then discovered the toon. As many have said, the entire point of the toon was to advertise the toys and get kids to buy them. Most watched the cartoon, enjoyed it and then nagged their parents to buy the toys. And if they were anything like me many were deeply disappointed by said toys.
    I personally have zero nostalgia for the toys, never read the Marvel comics and am 100% influenced by the toon. And the MP line is pretty good evidence that I’m not alone im that.
    There have been enough “toy influenced” products to show that while they do sell okay, a “mix of toy and toon” or plain “toon” pretty much always sells better.
    As for the constant complaints from folks about the quality of the animation (usually compare to later efforts) it always struck me as deeply hypocritical considering how piss poor so many of the toys were as well (G1 Ironhide anyone?)
     
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    TigerBlade Prepare for extermination

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    They clearly know the majority want toy style? What evidence do you have to support this? I'd say the only thing that is clear is that cartoon styling must sell well otherwise they wouldn't continue to make it. That would suggest your statement isn't very accurate. Afterall they don't make these toys out of the goodness of their own hearts....the shareholders wouldn't be very happy with that.

    Also I'd point out that just because you like something it doesn't mean the majority also like it.
     
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    Ruizu1990 I'm a girl, not a boy.

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    If people want their toys to look like the G1 toy, why not just buy the G1 toy? They don't have much articulation, but didn't much of the articulation that people desire come about because of people seeing the characters interact and move about on the TV screen?

    The original toys were mostly immobile bricks. Kids saw the cartoons and wished that their TFs looked like that.
     
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    I mean, that's why I myself started buying these things last year. If the toys still looked exactly like the toys of the '80s I wouldn't have even bothered. Evolution is a good thing is this regard.
     
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    Wow that's a lot of speaking, but the big thing I saw was the waning the toys to move like they did on the cartoon, while yes I'm happy that the toys today have better articulation than they did back then I still want them to have the look and feel of back them, I'm much more into the mordenization of the g1 toy design, I'm already not fond of the master piece figures anyways which is why outside of Jazz I have none displayed in my collection. I think GT J4zz and PE Mega doragon are great examples of the modernization of the original toys/toon. I'm to the point where it's less appealing to me as a Jazz if he doesn't have the wheels out, like the G1 toy, Alt, Generations, and GT hit my Jazz sweet spot with T&RO, MT and TW being very nice.

    Most consider Jazz's defining feature to be his visor while I feel the wheels and door wings are just as important if not more so
     
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    Not to digress (or to digress - not like we're seeing any more video reviews so may as well kill time) but as a kid I had the first few episodes of Transformers on a VHS that was watched almost to the point of destruction. The Transformers cartoon will always be More Than Meets The Eye for me (I don't even think we saw season 2 in the UK - if we did I'd moved on by then). Now the comic is a different story - I read that from about issue 4 all the way through the movie-based storylines.

    Having said that - my fondness for Transformers stemmed mainly from the toys. It was the toys I played with/Transformed/took to friends houses/took to school on toy days; It was the envy of the toys my friends had - my next door neighbour had Optimus Prime - the kid from school who had Soundwave; It was the toys that broke my heart when they broke - Mirage snapping at the waist, a Prowl with the rear windows superglued (by my dad) where they'd snapped in half or Jazz with the windscreen superglued where it meets the bonnet, missing spoiler pieces on Wheeljack; And it was the toys that I remember getting and opening for the first time - opening Bombshell in the car on a journey home from the nearest city, sneaking peeks at a Jetfire that was hidden in my parents wardrobe throughout December one year, just waiting to be opened on Xmas day.

    Those are my links to Transformers. The animated series and the comic I loved, but the toys I lived.

    Edit: Man, just reading that back to myself brings a tear to the eye. If anyone needs me I'll be sobbing in a corner with G1 Jetfire in my arms.
     
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    It's all about options and we're very lucky to have a Jazz for everyone at this time, we have Zetas for the toy fans, MakeToys for the toon fans and now TnR for the people (like me) who want that subtle blend of toy and toon that we first saw with MP-10.

    It's clear that the toon approach is considered to be more popular, personally I hate it but I'm not going to make a big deal about especially when there are still companies out there continuing the aesthetic set by MP-10, like TnR and X-Transbots.
     
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    This all day long, it must be a UK thing, I'd also don't care for much beyond S1, and it was the toys and the UK comic that made me a fan, I think that's why I care more for the older MP'S because that have the basic look of the toon character yet have lots of little nods to the toys, right down to some of the transformation steps. When I fold out MP-10's arms in truck mode I could be holding the G1, same when I flip back MP-08's Dino head or MP-13's leg transformation. The nostalgic feeling is not just visual it's also tactile.

    Anyway back on topic who's ordered Hova then?
     
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    Yea I gotta say a mix of the look toy and toon seems to be more of the sweet spot for most. Obviously a lot of people like full toon, but you get a lot others think that look is too basic and plain, meaning they want some of that extra detail typically the toys had. I think because Hova looks like a good mix of the two, people are interested in this figure and are hoping it's going to be a good addition to the choices of Jazz.

    I'm hoping the reviews are good on this guy because I really like both this and Downbeat for different reasons. (If they ever made a Downbeat with this type of detailing I'd be all over that)
     
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    Anyone have this guy in hand yet?
     
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    This is what it's all about a community coming together to talk likes dislikes, no disrespect just great discussion, this is why this forum exist. I do love all the awesome ode of the toy stickers from g1, it's never been a make or break but it is nice espc when spelled correctly
     
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    Tempted to get this, but I don't want to buy it and then Takara announces their JAZZ
     
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    My gut says the Takaras will have more of a resemblance to Downbeat than this.
     
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    This thing really shines in full toy config. Shoulder wheels FTW!
     
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    In short: No.

    In long: I always have and always will want my toys to push the envelope in terms of detailing, articulation, build quality, playability etc, regardless of whether I saw them on TV or not. You're assuming that people who don't care about toon accuracy want the same thing that people who do care about toon accuracy want, which is their favourite characters replicated exactly as they were when they first saw them. What I want isn't that. I don't want a perfect replication of the old toon, I don't want a perfect replication of the old toy, I don't want a perfect replication of anything. I want the best taken from the old cartoon and the old toys and new stuff that wasn't even thought of back then, and I want it all combined into something better than ever before.
     
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