I ask of you for *REAL* proof. None of this "well bay said so" or "well the edited interviews mentioned him" BS. What REAL proof do we have? To help explain what I mean, I'll use megatron as an example. We were told that megatron would not be in the movie. Well, we have real proof that he is. He has a toy, hes pictured on the board game, there are images of him on ROTF toy packaging, and we can see his hand and treds in the trailer.... So. What REAL proof do we have that the fallen is in this movie? Answer: None. What we do have though is real proof that he is NOT in the movie. When the title of the movie first became public everyone assumed the fallen was refering to either megatron or the decepticons. Then one day a fan mentioned there was a character named the fallen and from that moment it was game on. Proof that the fallen is not in the movie though comes in the form of the foreign movie titles: The German title is called "The Return" and the newest title (i forget which country) uses the plural form of the term "fallen" both of these titles point back to our original idea that the fallen was refering to the decepticons. coincidence? maybe, but highly unlikely.