Thoughts On Violence *Mild Spoiler*

Discussion in 'Transformers Robots In Disguise / Prime Discussion' started by NexusZero, Nov 27, 2010.

  1. NexusZero

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    SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

    Now, believe me, I will be the last person in the world to say that a children's cartoon show is too violent, but wow! When Cliffjumper was brought to Starscream and he had all that blue "blood" coming out of him, and when he spat some of this "blood" out, and then when Starscream stabbed him and all the blood splattered out, I was surprised that they allowed that.

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. darksage78

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    Definitely darker than BW and BM but I think its a good growth from Animated. What cartoons usually do is start out targetted to a young audience and mature as the kids grow up. You definitely see a shift in BW's storytelling from Season 1 to 2, particularly in Dinobot's heroic sacrifice then to 3 where the stakes were so much higher. Similarly this was seen in Animated when we got to Season 3 with the rather questionable ethics of Project Omega and the Autobots in general. I've heard this is also true for the Clone Wars saga. I'm interested in how they handle this throughout Prime's first season.
     
  3. shroobmaster

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    It's alright as long as it's not human!

    Then you risk freaking out people a liiittle too much.

    Plus when death actauly happens it puts things at higher stakes.
     
  4. Karhukjnsi

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    I welcome it, I want more! This is war, goddamnit, there needs to be a real vulgar display of power, real pain and despair.
     
  5. Wollstone

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    I welcome a darker series after RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, and TFA.
     
  6. NexusZero

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    I agree, it was just a bit surprising when you see gushing "blood" on a TF show.
     
  7. Overhaulimus

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    I too, was surprised at how violent show was in the first episode, but that's not a bad thing. It's war, war is gonna be violent, it's a much welcome change from RID/AEC/Animated, granted in Armada Smokescreen did die, but he was brought back as Hoist, same as Optimus and in Cybertron, Vector Prime sacrificed himself to save everyone.
     
  8. Leadfoot

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    To a degree i can understand your point of view, but, as many fans, I am tired of our intelligence being insulted with "half ass" violence/fighting in the toons. It's really probably a good thing that we can now have a kill in Transformers without shooting a bundle of steel beams which would then fall upon the victim and lead to his unlikely temporaty incapacitation and escape.

    I guess this leads to a bigger debate - would kids be better off if cartoons ignored the natural fact that violence leads to death? I don't wanna get into that. But I thought the season opening schitt was a good move overall.

    I think that if you're my age and you realized that guns killed when Starscream and Megatron destroyed half the G1 autobots, well, you run the risk of being as messed up as I am.
     
  9. KnightHawkke

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    A little reality can go a long way, blood from bots does not equate to blood from humans, just like in BSG saying frak to the censors does not equate to dropping the F bomb every thirty seconds.

    so there is a little more leeway to show more.. I would be interested to see exactly what if anything they could do to the bots that would offend the censors enough to make it be removed, would a bot's torso being turned inside out and them crawling along the ground with robotic innards trailing behind them be too much for a kids show??
     
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    this is not the first time an tf continuty had "blood" (whic hsi actually energon) (ROTF HAD "Blood"/energon too)
     
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    I think in the case of TF Prime it was oil he was spilling when stabbed, similar to the movie when the bots got thrashed around
     
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    I was more disturbed when Cliff was revived and corrupted by the dark energon then when Starscream disposed of him.

    Even then, it's good to see some dark, more realistic moments in kids shows. Characters die all the time in the clone wars, so why not here. It shows that this is war. There's no more "The hero escapes unharmed leaving the villain clutching his fists going 'NEXT TIIIIME!!!!'" moments. This is war. Soldiers die. So nothing is all sugar and rainbows this time around.
     
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    I kind of liked the fact that there was blue energon blood. It adds a bit of realism to the whole thing. I think it would be interesting to see more battle damage on the bots, I wonder if the CG could handle it. Not only energon blood, but a bit of abrasions, cuts and fire damage.
     
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    seemed alot more like oil or hydraulic fluid.
     
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    That's a very good point. I think people sometimes confuse things that 'might upset children' with being unsuitable. And the flip side to that is they seem to think bloodless violence is acceptable family entertainment.

    I think it's far more healthy to show that, yes, there are consequences to violence. You can't show characters fighting it out every week and no one ever gets hurt.

    My feeling is it should not so much be about the level of the violence, but more the nature of the violence and the lessons learned. They should avoid scenarios that convey the message that violence is how you solve your problems, or violent situations that encourage imitation.

    There is the view that graphic violence desensitizes kids, but my argument to that is if you give sufficient weight to the emotional impact of the violence, you sensitize them to the violence.
     
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    i wasn't fazed at all from the violence. i thought killing off clones in clone wars is far more bolder. still upset that they killed cliff off though
     
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    There is a preview clip on YouTube with Bulkhead showing some concern about Miko witnessing the violence. Just before he rips out the innards of an Eradicon, he tells Miko to look away.
     
  18. Rexidus

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    Hello. I'm 28 years old, a sci-fi fan, and a Transformers fan.

    Thank you for making a show that includes me in the target demographic.
     
  19. Kaymac

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    The writers certainly don't screw around when it comes to violence. This is a full-on war, there will be casualties, and it's going to be brutal at times. It actually works quite well for this series. This is a series casual fans of the movies might actually watch and enjoy, since it has a similar tone to the movies (mostly the first one), but refined.
     
  20. shadowsfm

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    what if they went the clone wars direction and had lots of autobot drones, with some being even unique and sympathetic only to be killed off in each episode.
     

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