Third Parties?

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  1. Tigertrack

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    Why is it called 3rd parties? Who's second?
     
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    Use the search button. This has been discussed more than 1 time.
     
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    Because some people dont want to accept the illegal copycats of other companies character toys as official? To me a transformer is a transformer. At least thats one reason.
     
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    completely agree with you there.

    there are a lot of idiots in ignorance's bliss. i treat them more like KO as they should be.
     
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    First party: Product developer or producer that is making the primary product (in this case, Hasbro or Tomy).
    Second party: Recipient of the primary product (AKA, the consumer. You.)
    Third party: Product developer or producer that is not directly tied to the primary product that a consumer (second party) is using.
     
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    I was about to give you my 2 cents on this comment until i properly looked up the definition of KO. so as much as it pains me to say it your right. still love my 3rd party 'KOs'
     
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    Thank you, that's all I wanted to know. Nice, simple answer. To be honest, I hadn't thought of myself as second party, but now that you mentioned it, it does make sense.
     
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    i like some em. most are fugly. there's a guy here who started a thread like this before. he works for a law firm and asked why doesn't hasbore do something about it.
     
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    If Hasbro would make the stuff we want, I'd buy from Hasbro. But since another company makes characters we want, I'll buy from them. It's whoever produces the product that we want is whom gets our money.
     
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    They are not "Transformers" they are robots. The name Transformer is trademarked and is used by Hasbro/Takara. Any 3rd party is a robot. Any remake of a Hasbro/Takara figure is just a KO.

    Is a KO Coach purse still a Coach purse? No, it isn't.

    If I made an offbrand tissue and called it Kleenex brand, is it a Kleenex tissue? No it's a tissue.
     
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    I thought "second party" were official licensees such as IDW, Activision etc.
     
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    Yes and yes.
     
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    rofl no way. That is just silly.
     
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    Relax, Hopscotch, I'm just fucking with you.

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    After the party is the after party. Third parties are the after party party. It's where the cool kids go (and Tracy Morgan, who is damn cool)
     
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    No. Second party is the recipient of the product or service produced by the first party. Activision, IDW, they're all first party.
     
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    So how many 3rd parties are there in the TF world?
    I know of Igear, FP, and CD.
     
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    QuinJester is correct.
     
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    In my mind, even calling them 3rd party is inaccurate as that still implies an official tie to the brand. I see guys like Kabaya or Fun4All as the "3rd party" (their items are officially licensed by HasTak, but produced by themselves). As FansProject, PE, etc. are unaffiilated with HasTak at all, I just call them "unlicensed" or "unofficial"


    (edit - corrected "FunPub" to "FansProject." I'm getting my FP's mixed up)
     
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    There's a few different ways it could be looked at, but strictly speaking, FP, iGear and the like are not Third Parties:

    In the only other example I am familiar with, Second party refers to someone that sits between an official licensee (3rd party), and the original manufacturer (1st party). Most times a second party is either partially or completely owned by the first, but operates somewhat separately. In the videogame instance, Rareware was considered a second party - although they were owned first by Nintendo and then by Microsoft, their products were always produced by Rare. Similarly, 989 Studios was pretty much owned and operated by Sony, but had the appearance of being independent. Konami and Ultra would be another example, and I think Capcom had a 2nd party company as well.

    In other cases, I provide a service (1st party) to a customer (2nd party), but I have subcontractors who provide other services to my customers (third party). For instance, if I run a hotel, I'm the 1st party, the customers would be 2nd (or my parent corporation could be considered 2nd), and the companies I hire to take care of valet parking and the gift shop are 3rd parties.

    In either example, a third party is officially licensed (ie contracted), and the toy "third parties" don't qualify. I think we refer to them as if they were a third party because they are aren't doing generic KO copies of Hasbro stuff (e.g. Send The Books Super Robot Man), but doing different interpretations of Hasbro's existing stuff (City Commander not-Ultra Magnus).

    And no, don't anyone take the above paragraph to start arguing about whether iGear is reinterpreting vs. flat-out copying. No one cares enough to argue anymore.

    ^^posted while I was typing. A much more succinct way to put it :D  Kabaya, TFCC, e-Hobby qualify as 3rd party.
     
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