The "You Explain It" Thread - Explain

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  1. nightdiamond

    nightdiamond Well-Known Member

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    There are lots of contradictions, unanswered questions and curiosities in the Transformers G1 cartoon.

    Examples like these :

    Why are there Female transformers? How come the Autobots could originally fly and then stopped?

    It's been covered many times before, I know, but here is the chance for the posters to explain it all

    The explanations will probably be picked apart or criticized, but if anyone can logically explain something so that everything fits in place the best, go for it.

    Here's one for example:

    Megatron said HE created the Constructicons. A little later, Omega Supreme explained that the Constructicons were originally good, but Megatron reprogrammed them to be evil. Even later, the Constructicons were show creating Megatron.

    A chance to explain it all, fanwork, fiction storyboards, you explain it...
     
  2. Nevermore

    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

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    So basically, fanon/fanwank explanations.
     
  3. nightdiamond

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    As long as it can explain everything and still fit reasonably within cannon.

    Try to stay within the G1 history and timeline and leave out the comics and other series. (Unless you can make it fit logically).

    Let's face it, the cartoon (because it was 80's writing) wasn't as detailed as it could have been, so using a little imagination to fill out certain parts, I think that's ok. As long as explanations don't go too far out there.

    The key is explain it logically and yet add some dimension to it too.
     
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    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

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    Must... resist... urge...
     
  5. nightdiamond

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    lol


    If they can be creative enough, someone can explain the "how and whys" and still have it fit the storyboard. And still have it make sense somehow.

    Sort of..

    Gonna have tamper with the storyline a lil, but that's unavoidable. As long as it stands up to scrutiny.

    The Constructicon/Megatron thing? I think it can be done.
     
  6. Aernaroth

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    There are going to be so many wall-of-text explanations bordering on fanfic in this thread.
     
  7. Tigertrack

    Tigertrack Back In The Game!

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    G1-It makes sense if you don't think about it.
     
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    If you watch some episodes long enough it's said you can get high, lol.

    It was made for kids-today's cartoons aren't made as much for kids as they are for adults. They have a lot more substance and filler today than back then.

    But...fill in the pieces logically and it can be done.

    For example-Omega Supreme- was originally a guardian robot rebuilt by the Autobots after they subdued the Decepticons.

    Now, that's not really stated in the cartoon, but fits smoothly into an explanation involving him. Doesn't fly all over the place either.
     
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    Why are there Female transformers?
    It's an alien race. It's presented to us as male and female as the closest analogy that we can understand.

    How come the Autobots could originally fly and then stopped?
    Because of the shortage of energy. With limited resources around, the Autobots try to conserve as much fuel as they can. The Decepticons
    Do not share the same ideals as the Bots and believe they it's their right to use it as they may.
     
  11. nightdiamond

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    This is a good example, but this is where the scrutiny comes in.

    The Autobots were originally shown flying, but later was said to be unable to fly. Even in desperate situations where they needed to.

    The story has it that the Decepticons were designed to fly- the Autobots were fascinated by it .

    So how can this be explained away further?
     
  12. moreprimeland

    moreprimeland Optimus told me to do it! Moderator TFW2005 Supporter

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    Do you have the book..Transformers: The Ultimate Guide? Not that many of the questions will EVER be answered...it happened the way it happened and it's not gonna change, not 20 something years later. The Guide is a great read tho.
     
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    I heard about it, plan to get it one day.

    I like the idea of the fans/posters explaining it, in their own way, because you get more interesting answers.

    And if they can do it "within" the storyline, even better.

    I tend to skip the Marvel comics because it was all over the place.


    Sometimes even the official answers don't always add up.

    The book says Shockwave was second in command, so that's that.

    In the episodes Starscream repeatedly assumes leadership even in Shockwave's presence. (In one, Shockwave even acknowledges he is the rightful leader after he shows him some type of "badge").
     
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    Why are there female Autobots?
    Well, if you go by the Quintesson origin (which I happen to like), I'd imagine they were originally built to appeal to other more feminine aliens, just like certain cars are built to appeal more to women, while others are built to appeal more to men.
     
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    I was gonna go with a poorly excited kitchen joke, but that works too. :) 
     
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    why not?

    they never really stopped.

    that idea that they couldnt was more of a story devise that showed up a few times.
    Megatron NEVER said he "created" the constructicons.

    He said he "built" them, and "built" is not always synoymous with "created".

    the word "created" was not used there either.

    Simply put, Megatron could have "built" them new bodies on earth.
     
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    Once the Autobots saw that Earth's resources were limited, they gave up flying(excluding the few jets n Dinobots). They also might have removed their flying capabilities to increase their other abilities.
     
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    > implying the comics aren't G1
    >> self resisting urge to rage
     
  19. nightdiamond

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    Now, this one makes sense. They were originally manufactured as "consumer goods", probably sold as servants. They were made to appeal to female clients and perverted male clients for God know what reason.

    The Decepticons have no female versions because they were designed as gladiators/soldiers, defense robots.

    Now that would help fill out a wiki page on the subject.


    If you're dealing with robots, it's almost the same thing though. The script strongly implied they were created.

    Megatron had already given them their new form -Devastator, on Cybertron millions of years ago.

    And they already looked like earth vehicles!


    Strongly implied again- As the narrator says, "Megatron was born" we see the Constructicons assembled around him as he sits up from a work table.


    The comics? Well, the other comics are great, because they came out later-better art, better coherent story lines.

    Marvel's version was really all over the place.

    How many times was Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream and everyone else destroyed, killed, or disassembled? And then came back?
     
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    Which situations were desperate and showed them not flying?

    I'm fairly certin there were more instances of them flying then not.
    Orion Pax and Dion were the only ones that showed any fascination, and the fully thing is that Orion Pax flew after expressing fascination at the Decepticons flying abilities.
    No its really not.
    And your wrong there as well.

    Theres nothing in the script or dialog that supports the idea they were "Newly" created as new life.

    A]None of the Autobots expressed surprise or shock at 6 new cons running around.
    and before you say, "it was a kids cartoon and the writers were lazy", they did think to write in shock and surprise from the Dinobots and the humans.

    B]None of the Autobots expressed surprise or shock at the huge combined form of Devastator.
    As a matter of fact, Optimus seemed to know exactly where and how to attack him.
    And the writers thought to write in shock and surprise for the cons as a reaction to the huge Autobot.

    C]The pre-production bible clearly indicates that they werent to get an origin story.
    so it seems the writers never intended for us to get the idea they were newly created on earth.
    How is that relevant to this part of the conversation?
    2 things.

    A]how does that negate the possible needs for new bodies?

    B]the only reason they looked like earth trucks was due to then not wanting to make/use different character models.

    Same thing happened with Starscream in "fire in the sky".

    Its no stronger an implication then the idea that they may have "re-built" him.

    Sorry but its human conceit and arrogance that allows any of us to believe one over the other when the dialog itself its so vague it points to neither definitively..And I was just as guilty of those acts myself for a long time, so I dont mean that as an insult.

    Like you said, the narrator says, "Megatron was born".....this is nothing but a metaphoric statement....as we know, at least in the G1 toon, TF's arent born in any literal sence but manufactured in any number of ways.

    Build,create,born, are all vague metaphoric statement in the world of TF's.

    Think about it, Alpha Trion claimed he "created" Optimus, Starscram claimed he created the Combaticons, and in both cases all they really did was build new bodies.
    This is also debatable.

    None of the guys surrounding that table were "exact" matchs for the Constructicons.

    The models were all a bit off, but that could be lazy animation.But the team of Constructicons that formed Devestator numbered at 6 members.

    The green guys around Megatron on that table numbered at 8 members.
    Sorry but your mis-informed.

    The Marvel comics came out well before the cartoon.
     

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