The TFP Optimus Prime VS Megatron dynamics

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  1. DarkRobin

    DarkRobin Well-Known Member

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    The TFP Optimus Prime VS Megatron Dynamics Is The Best

    In any TF continuity, the rivalry of dynamics between Optimus Prime and Megatron are always one of the most attractive element of the show, mostly because they are the leaders of heroes and villains.

    But in TFP, that dynamic has been push to higher and better than before.

    The fact they used to be friends and comrades in battle makes the rivalry a little sad and emotionally moving as Optimus has to struggle to bring down someone who he once regarded as a brother.

    More importantly, what Megatron feels toward Optimus isn't simple hatred, he enjoys fighting Optimus both physically and intelligently. As he put it, he was hardly surprised that Optimus figured out his plan as they had been at it for a long time, which means while Megatron is as Ratchet points out, extremely arrogant, but he knows how well Optimus knows and understands him, thus making their opposition extremely challenging, and it's obvious that he finds it entertaining.

    As egoistical as Megatron is, we've also been shown his strength and intelligence so his arrogance is justified to a degree, making him a worthy adversary to the main hero of the show, Optimus Prime. As Megatron himself said it in "Darkness Rising Pt. 5" Optimus Prime never disappoints him, and we've seen how often he criticizes and finds his Decepticon underlings disappointing him, which demonstrates to us how highly Megatron thinks of Optimus. Furthermore Megatron's consideration that only he deserves to be the one to take down Optimus is an acknowledgment of how strong Optimus is, which proves to us Optimus's worth.

    The challenge Megatron represents to Optimus is also great. Although Optimus understands how Megatron thinks very well, it's also nearly impossible for Optimus to defeat Megatron as the two battle they had so far in the series has shown Megatron is physically stronger than Optimus, but of course it doesn't mean Optimus have no chance of winning against Megatron. The uncertainty of who can be the winner between two leaders who are similar or equals in so many ways but completely different in others is the major element that makes this series so exciting.

    The fight they had in "One Shall Fall" is probably the best fight scene between Optimus and Megatron in all TF continuities so far. This relationship rivalry between them may be traditional, but it has never been this good, making TFP more enjoyable than all previous TF series.

    How does everyone here think?
     
  2. Rusty24

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    In the fight scene in One Shall Fall, you could really tell that there was a lot of strong emotions going through their heads. Both opponents were trying as hard as they could to kill the other. It reminded me of the fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin in Revenge of the Sith.
     
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    Their fight scene in one shall fall is SIMPLY AMAZING okay? Everything, from direction to animation to acting to character motivation is clicking in check just fine for one of the best brawls of the leaders we've had in history,

    On one side, there is Megatron, knowing he will win, sure that the prophecy speaks to him him, sure that that is the moment where victory WILL be his and there is nothing Optimus can do.

    On the other side, there is Optimus, knowing he HAS to win, Megatron has gone too far, there is clearly no going back and the only thing that can save humanity is his death, there is nothing Optimus can do other than finish him.
     
  4. DarkRobin

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    True

    But the fight is not the only thing that makes the rivalry between the two leaders so great.

    Megatron is like Lex Luthor was Superman's strength, actually stronger.
    His military resource is also vastly superior to Optimus, like Lex being far richer than Clark Kent/Superman. Megatron also has become what Metallo is to Superman to Optimus, being empowered by an element that weakens the hero. As such, it's the challenge Optimus has to go through to win against Megatron that makes the dynamics between them exciting.

    Also, as you pointed out the emotions are more complex than simple hate for getting in each other's ways make it fun to watch them figuring how to beat one another.

    Ultimately, I find Megatron's desire and possessiveness for taking down Optimus himself and Optimus's sorrow for having to destroy a former friend that he once respected enough to consider a brother that establish the worth of each leader, that why it's good to see both great character going against each other.
     
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    The two leaders both seem to have faith of possessing power that can terminates each other
     
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    Rather than faith, it seems more like Optimus's determination and Megatron's obsession or desire to destroy one another.

    It's interesting that they sometimes could that similar action for different purpose.

    When they both realized the prophecy was coming true, and had different reaction to the realization. And when they both figured out Unicron is present on(or in) Earth, they approached them separately and made pleas for different reason. They are indeed "opposite sides of the same coin."
     
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    I had hoped to see how many people also feel the dynamics of conflict between TFP Optimus and Megatron to be extremely exciting.

    Optimus regarding Megatron as a brother makes their opposition much more like the drama of eternal war between Primus and Unicron who are brothers.
     
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    I'm still not sure they ever actually comrades in battle. I thought the 'fighting alongside each other' was more metaphorical, in that they fought political corruption for Cybertron.

    Also, didn't Megatron start the Decepticons? Who would they have even literally fought against?
     
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    Optimus mentioned ""the Megatron he once fought besides perished the day he chose to become a Decepticon."

    It sounds like they both were fighting Decepticons at some point, then Megatron decided to become a Decepticon and eventually rose to leadership.

    Maybe this is also a setup for Megatron's relationship with The Fallen. In the move Transformers Revenge of the Fallen. The Fallen was the one that corrupted and took Megatron as his disciple. Perhaps that's what happened with TFP Megatron.
     
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    the dynamic relationship between these two great characters is a huge improvement over most transformers series it has a unique style all to its own I cant realy say its the best but it is one of the better stories. There some great talent out there working on this series and some of that talent has been with transformers for years. I definately agree with you as its one of the best conflicts in transformers history it only makes me wonder were there going to take it from here. there past is going to bring out alot more depth to these these charactersa and some new insight on what actualy drives them
     
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    And what makes this all emotionally moving is that what they share besides rivalry is like a love-and-hate relationship much like what siblings feel toward each other.

    Again, Optimus knowing Megatron so well to the point it's as if he could read Megatron's mind, and Megatron thinking the highest of Optimus makes their conflict so entertaining.
     
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    I sorta prefer their Armada rivalry. One major thing wrong with this one is Megatron is insane and to me has hardly shown anything but playful hate towards Prime. I liked Armadas equals locked in eternal combat stuff. It was cool how Megatron respected Prime and even had a hard time excepting his death. Megatron was so used to their war that he was actually glad when Prime came back to life.

    Another good part of the Armada rivalry was that even Optimus had gotten used to it. That really brought a twist to it and made Prime and the rivalry more interesting.
     
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    I believe that a large part of both the emotions and rivalry between both megatron and optimus is due alot to the supporting cast they give us that little bit of extra info that really fleshes out these characters both back ground info and pushing the characters forward.

    My only concern is that this series started out so strong that it might fisle out in the long run. The complete oppisite can be said for beast machines witch started out horrible but really defined opimus and megatrons conflict in the end. Both characters perishing at the end brought a real sence of ending to me even though i lost interest in the characters through the series it was rekindled at the end. with prime i dont want to lose any interest in any characters even Miko. and to be honest if they do decide to kill poor bulk and miko cries i probaly will too. a great show of how good the writing is that most dont like her but we still care about how she feels
     

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