The SPARK: Some things don't add up.

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  1. Shizuka

    Shizuka Optimus Prime's scriptor

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    So, the spark is the heart of a Transformer right? So here are a few weird thing that needs to be answered. Technically, if the Transformer has no spark he or she dies right? If that's the case:

    - Why could Frenzy move about as just a head?
    - If Frenzy can move with just a head couldn't Bonecrusher live? He only had his head cut off, he still has a spark.
     
  2. Fez Findie

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    I think it was already argued that the spark chambers aren't always located in the same part of the Transformers' bodies, and Frenzy's chest area would have been too small to hold his spark or somethin'.
     
  3. ANDROID PRIME

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    I think it just boils down to the movie was poorly written.

    -jazz got ripped in half he should be alive
    -blackout got shot in the crotch - should be alive
    -bone crusher got his head cut off he should be alive.
    - megatron got his spark fused with allspark energy and it looks like it melted his spark chamber. he should stay dead.
    -barricade just dissapeared.
    the only one that makes sense was brawl. he got shot by BB in the spark. and stayed dead
     
  4. cnic

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    maybe their sparks are located in different places? Maybe since frenzy had a bigger head than body, his spark was in his head?
     
  5. cnic

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    Let's just hope Jetfire's spark isn't in his arse, with all the rusting and sparking and all going on
     
  6. Master Fwiffo

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    The spark may or may not be located in different locations. But Transformers typically can only sustain so much damage before their spark ceases to function. Some, like Frenzy and Brawl, are designed so that certain types of damage are non-fatal. Frenzy, for example, didn't die till his head got destroyed because his spark is located in his head. Brawl was able to take a number of hits before he went down.

    With other transformers, a direct spark-hit could kill them - as with what happened to Blackout, shot straight up the chests.

    Others simply receive enough damage that the attack is fatal - being decapitated normally (Frenzy being a rare exception), or being torn in half among them.

    But, may I point out, that NO Transformers series (except maybe AEC) has been consistant on this point. G1 Optimus got dimembered several times and survived, yet died after a fierce battle with Megatron. Fatality in BW was entirely random. Dinobot survived severe damage time after time, until it was time for him to die. Meanwhile, Waspinator spent the whole series getting severe damage. In Animated, Optimus died due to a long fall, meanwhile Blitzwing and Lugnut were left in piece by a massive blast, and were fine.

    The movie, if anything, is MORE consistant on what kills a Transformer, again with Frenzy being the sole exception.
     
  7. MythofBlackout

    MythofBlackout TF Fan Artist

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    This is actually a pretty good point. If you eliminate Frenzy from the equation it seems that a massive amount of damage, regardless of where or how it occurs, will kill a Transformer, not unlike the way a massive amount of injury will kill a human being. Frenzy is just... special.
     
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    Frenzy's spark is probably spread out through him kinda like I think with all the other beings brought to life by the AS, I think the spark is more of their soul and altogether self and only some in the movie-verse have actual spark chambers.
     
  9. Torque

    Torque The WORDSMITH

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    ya, Frenzy is a special kind of Transformer-which is why he's so tiny as well as hard to kill. in fact, i bet that he's designed to be extra special:

    1) lives as just a head
    2) is much smaller for specific
    3) he seems to be kinda like special ops

    ya, id be surprised if he wasnt made to survive extra amounts of damage
     
  10. Shockscream

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    We may also need to consider the fact that Frenzy is a "minion". Scorponok was hit multiple times by the Wharthog planes and survived (albeit with a severed tail) when similar assaults killed the larger Transformers. If a minion TF is somehow linked to the Sparks of their "master" TFs, that could explain their survival. Only when the master TF dies can the minion be considered to be truly autonomous. Just a theory.
     
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    This makes sense. In fact, it's the one of few things I've heard all day that actually makes sense.
     
  12. Witwicky Camaro

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    It certianly is an interesting one, but if Frenzy and Scorponok can be considered "Minons", not really masters of their own "Souls", and their Partners, Barricade and Blackout, are the "Masters" of their Sparks (not to mention their own), wouldn't they just go offline if either of them were killed? Would it work in the vice versa manner as well?

    Frenzy pretty much died by his own hand and its unknown whether or not Barricade is still alive. Scorpkonok was last seen alive and tunneling away after being bombed by the Military, was still alive judging by how his tail reactivated on the plane. Yet, it was believed that Blackout was killed in Misson City, but he just might be coming back judging by the ShoWest Footage (unless that sequence was all just a dream or flashback, though I doubt it)?
     
  13. Autobot Burnout

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    I'd be amazed if this is dead-on in terms of the relationship between two certain new TF's in the movie (you know who)
     
  14. Torque

    Torque The WORDSMITH

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    but Barricade isnt dead...
     
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    One problem I see you have is that you're confusing the movie with past series'. A spark in the movie isn't like a spark from BM, it's not the one and only thing that powers a robot, otherwise what point would natural bodies serve?



    More of this cheap crap?

    Oh really? How would you know? He was ripped in the mid-section, try surviving THAT.

    The crotch shot didn't kill him, the dozens of F-22 missiles and sabot rounds SQUARE IN THE CHEST killed him.

    Again, how would you know? Boncrusher's not Frenzy, he doesn't keep all his vitals in his head. You try living without a head.

    "looks like it was melted" is not melted. Megatron is not only the strongest robot in the movie, but all that Allspark power went straight into his spark, it couldn've just knocked him out from all the power going into his system.

    He death scene was cut before it had time to be filled. That's an editing error, not a writing error.


    Frenzy is the notable exception, due to his design all his important parts, vitals, brain, stuff, are kept in his head. They were suprisingly consistent with this, since the only way he actually died was when his head (where all his vitals are kept) was diced by his own CD shuriken.
     
  16. Starscreamer95

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    That`s quiet possible. But Frenzy is deffinatly dead for now, and Barricade is still out there.
     
  17. Alienbot

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    I hate this notion the spark is contained in a single chamber and that a Transformer is a piece of light piloting a machine. Jazz died when he got torn in half just as your blood and organs would spew everywhere and the intense pain would kill you.
     
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    Uh huh...you do realize we're going off this notion because Prime did open his chest at some point in the movie to show his spark, which was truly a spark contained in a single chamber.

    The Spark isn't the transformer him/herself, rather is is like a battery that powers the life force. That life force is then used to power the personality and being of the transformer, the body's power source being energon in most cases.
     
  19. Alienbot

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    So why is it a problem if someone doesn't hit the spark when a Transformer dies? I wouldn't expect to live simply if someone extracted my heart and placed it within another body: transplants don't move the soul.
     
  20. Zombiedude

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    Considering the Decepticons didnt have any sort of medic on earth its no wonder why they died so easily. Who knows, maybe BoneCrusher is still "alive" in the sense that his spark is still alive, but his body is inoperable and there's no one to fix him.


    ...and he's at the bottom of the ocean
     

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