The Secret Weapon to end the war.....

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  1. Wu Jen

    Wu Jen Some old nobody

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    ..........exactly how?


    Okay Space Bridge technology would do what to end the war between the Autobots and Decepticons and make "All are one"?

    Autobots: Look brothers we can get resources from other planets that are not inhabited by sentient species and we can stop fighting.

    Decepticons: Look brothers other planets to conquer and do with as we will.

    I just don't understand how this "secret" weapon could have "ended the war".

    Help me understand pointless fiction please.
     
  2. bellpeppers

    bellpeppers A Meat Popsicle

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    Better question:
    If if Sentinel was the inventor of the tech, and he took the tech with him... then how did Jetfire spacebridge in Egypt all those years? Centuries? Later?
     
  3. Creaky

    Creaky King of Puppies

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    Too many plot holes for it to make much real sense: best I can do is this -

    the Space bridge tech would have allowed Sentinel and Megatron to repair Cybertron. The support of the Autobots most respected hero would have almost certainly have drawn some autobots to his side (maybe most of them, if they hadn't been embedded on earth for so long like Prime's team.) This alliance of Autobots and Decepticons would have smashed the remaining resistence, imported resources and slave labour to rebuild Cybertron, and made Sentinel the hero who ended the war, whilst giving Megatron the power he always wanted.

    You could also argue that Sentinel told the autobots that it would end the war, but was simply lying through his teeth to cover his escape and apparent demise.

    Silly government lady also said it could be used as a means to deliver an instant strike - bombs, troops, ships, whatever - could've been a game changer.

    I'm begining to suspect that either RotF never happened, or it happened very differently to what was presented on screen. It's presence causes more problems than anything - the only thing left over was the matrix, really. Megatron's plan doesn't make sense unless he knew the Matrix would be found to revive Sentinel. He couldn't have known that, unless Prime has always had it, but didn't mention it in the first movie. The series makes a whole lot more sense if you view it as two movies and some fudging, bizzarely.
     
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  4. SkyfiRe71

    SkyfiRe71 Precursor

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    Look brother, whatcha gona do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you! :cool: 
     
  5. RzaSharp

    RzaSharp Well-Known Member

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    This brings up the questions,using the bayverse only, as to what the Cybertronian war was about. what did they keep fighting, destroying their planet to ruins, over? They didnt have the matrix, the allspark was jettisoned into space, the og primes obviously already were moving planet to planet, scouring resources on non life bearing planets, all while planet deathmatch (cybertron) was in decline. Best way to "figure" this out is probably by plotting a timeline.
     
  6. SkyfiRe71

    SkyfiRe71 Precursor

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    Jetfire was a Decepticon...maybe he knew. He never told the other Autobots anything in Egypt either.
     
  7. Overlord Balder

    Overlord Balder Voices Slugslinger!

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    Optimus said REFUGEES [not other planets], as in "people who ran from Cybertron to not deal with the vicious war going on".

    And Don't you think having a massive, controlled wormhole would be useful for something? On the Decepticon side: Just imagine, drop all of your army, all at once, INSIDE Optimus' fortress and and wreck some havoc. Autobots wouldn't stand a chance with a enemy that can literally pop out of the nowhere.

    On the Autobot side, imagine all the innocent lives you could save through space travel, helping any Autobots hiding among the stars, or prisioners to the Decepticons, or a automatic escape route.

    In short: That shit would be very useful.
     
  8. Cryptwire

    Cryptwire Cybertronian Engineer/Sniper TFW2005 Supporter

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    this.. another reason why i did not like DOTM that much.. Jetfire even said he "opened" up a space-bridge as a faster way to go to Egypt, and now, fast forward to DOTM, apparently teleportation was actually "invented" by Sentinel Prime, who, stupidly enough, does not even possess the ability to open a space bridge by himself but needed rods... the Bayformers universe is so confusing. Bring on the reboots!
     
  9. RedWolf

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    Instant transportation behind enemy lines. Opportunities to reconnoiter on other planets. Resources etc...

    Space Bridge technology is lost technology. The Fallen and the Seekers have personal point to point teleportation versions.

    Sentinel Prime rediscovered the principles behind Space Bridge technology and made his own copyright version. This one using pillar relays and portals.

    In fact that is what's Sam's rant is all about.

    Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen Script - transcript from the screenplay and/or the Michael Bay with Shia LaBeouf
    It wouldn't surprise me if Sentinel Prime got his eureka moment using the Allspark as it has their race's history.
     
  10. Oracle_Aesir

    Oracle_Aesir Outback is back

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    Jetfire and other older Transformers (like the other seekers and Dynasty members) had the natural ability to use space bridge's, newer models, including Sentinel don't have that feature (I think this was explained in the ROTF Novel) So these pillars were invented by Sentinel as an artificial version of that feature.

    It's easy enough to have sent Optimus and his Autobots to another planet with no ships to get back (especially if they don't know where they are) so Sentinel and Megatron could rebuild Cybertron in their own image
     
  11. Overlord Balder

    Overlord Balder Voices Slugslinger!

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    Jetfire was the first seeker ever created [or one of the firsts], the dude was all magical, ancient and that kind of thing [also see The Fallen, who flat-out TELEPORTS twice].

    But compare: Jetfire's [and the Fallen's] space bridge could at most teleport them, and apparently not that far away [they only moved planetary distances], Sentinel's? Could teleport a whole goddamn army from any point in the entire freaking galaxy to another.
     
  12. Wu Jen

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    But, in order to use it you'd have to move pillars to the location and set them up and activate them. You'd still have to get through enemy defenses in order to use them effectively and if they destroy one of the pillars the network goes down.

    Handy = yes.

    War stopper = Not so much.
     
  13. bellpeppers

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    Well, you know what they keep saying:
    Continuity should never get in the way of great storytelling.
     
  14. Overlord Balder

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    Actually, The pillars could work the other way around: being installed on the Autobot's base, opening a Space Bridge inside the Decepticon's base, and sending troops through said Space Bridge.

    Thus, the Pillars are safe and sound on the Autobot's base while they unleash hell.
     
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    I think you all are missing something important: Sentinel lied.

    Sentinel told Optimus that he was escaping with a secret weapon, one that would save Cybertron. But in reality, there was no weapon. Sentinel was going to Earth to join with Megatron and retrieve the Allspark.

    Remember, Optimus knew about the space bridge, and he didn't act like it was some secret weapon. He merely explained it.

    Also, about Jetfire: I took it to be that first Sentinel, millions of years ago, created space bridge tech. One of these Space Bridge drivers was captured/given to Jetfire. However, the tech was only first stage and was unstable, drawing upon the energon of the user (thus, why Jetfire is slowing down and dying...the space bridge tech is killing him). Sentinel would soon correct this and create the pillars.
     
  16. Noideaforaname

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    Jetfire's space-bridging isn't really comparable to Sentinel's. Jetfire could only teleport himself and those right next to him, all at once, with high risk of injury. Sentinel, however, can safely transport entire armies and even planets, and evidently is able to keep the bridge open indefinitely.
     
  17. Honorbound

    Honorbound The Reclusive Semi-Lurker

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    I think that the Thread Title says it best: the Spacebridge would allow the Autobots to end the war by taking their entire population and skedaddling off to the new refuge that Sentinel was supposed to find. Essentially, the Spacebridge would have been their Ark. They wouldn't win the war, since they let the Decepticons have Cybertron, but they would have ended it, by not being there to fight.

    It's a stupid plan, since the Decepticons would have taken control of Cybertron and expanded their power so that they could attack other worlds, but many times, Autobots are stupid enough to try to end a war without winning it.
     
  18. RedWolf

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    Jossed as the Fallen himself uses a Space Bridge.

    Decepticon and Autobot space bridge technologies are different enough. Con bridge tech is on the micro-scale. Bot bridge tech is on the macro-scale.

    The plan was not to bring the Allspark to Cybetron but bring Cybertron to where the Allspark was.
     
  19. Overlord Balder

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    ^That makes no sense.
    Not even Optimus said that, he said they would help refugees [while the 'Cons, of course, wanted to release the Driller upon everything].

    EDIT: Refering to Honorbound
     
  20. RedWolf

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    Lets remember the Allspark has the capability to "create new worlds and fill them with life".

    The Autobot plan clearly had the Allspark in mind. But Sentinel would never abandon Cybertron.
     

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