The return of the greatest american hero?

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  1. Tekkaman Blade

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    I'm down. That suit was awesome.
     
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    Changing the lead of a character that was always male, to female, doesn't work. Just look at Star Trek Voyager.
     
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    Plus they already tried and failed to do it once. Voyager wasn't bad. Though a female will look hotter in spandex. I'll wait till I see the pilot before I comment.
     
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    There was a comic book that came out not too long ago, I read the first issue, but I don't remember the second ever coming out.
     
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    I loved the simplistic story:
    Man finds suit.
    Man loses instructions
    Man becomes the clumsiest superhero ever.

    it is what any hero's early years should have been.
     
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    Not only that, but they reveresed the dynamic of the apt hero with his inept civilian identity. He was a good teacher with a good life and fiance who was a terribly maladjusted totally unconfident superhero, which was a really fresh take on the superhero/alterego relationship.

    I can't see this relaunch (with the student with the "clone" suit) working at all.
     
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    The Greatest American Hero Returns, And This Time She's An Indian-American Woman - Bleeding Cool News And Rumors

    No issues with the race thing as it's about a super suit given by aliens. They even had episodes revealing Ralph wasn't the first to get one, and the last episode was an attempt at a spin off with a female character.

    But the character traits.....sounds poorly thought out

    Ralph was a teacher and a in a separation battle with his Ex.

    Not even a mention of a Bill type character.

    This sounds like when they wanted Jack Black for Green Lantern.

    A bunch of executives who don't understand the concept and why the original worked in the first place.
     
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    Somehow i cant see them having a minority woman being so clumsy with the supersuit and looking like an idiot while flying. Seems way too likey to bring out the complainers of how she is being portrayed.

    Hopefully it will persuade Funko to make an OG Ralph figure. Baffled why it hasnt happened already with how obscure some Pops are. Greatest American Hero doesn't seem like it would be too expensive to license a figure.
     
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    Every year I get older older another piece of my childhood gets chewed up and spit out. Which is really sad as their are something I would like to see redone or even with a different twist.
     
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    Voyager is shit because the writing isn't any good and the characters aren't interesting, Janeway being a woman has got fuck all to do with that.
     
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    "Hey, what's better than doing a fresh new genre show? A remake of an OLD one! And to show we're super-committed to it, let's base it on a series that BARELY worked long enough to last three seasons the first time it was done! Now, everybody loves superheroes, right? And everybody loves comedy, right? And everybody loves rebooted '80s franchises, right? And everybody loves remaking stuff with women in the lead roles instead of men, right? So let's do a female version of The Greatest American Hero! Oh, and to REALLY reach across the board and show that we're super-serious about appealing to a wider audience than the geeks who are likely to be the only ones who remember this show in the first place, let's make our leading actress a minority on top of it! Yeah, a superhero comedy about a non-Caucasian woman turned into a bumbling klutz! THEY'LL LOVE IT!!!"

    ...I'm not sure whether TV execs need to start snorting a stronger grade of cocaine or a weaker one.
     
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    The core concept isn't a bad one given that we are in an age when superheroes dominate so much of the entertainment world. Just an average person that finds a suit that gives them superhero powers but they don't really know how to work the suit or how to do the whole superhero thing. That's pretty much what Amazon is doing with Arthur on the Tick right now and that character is working. Part of the reason people seemed to love the Deadpool movie was it didn't mind taking some of the pomp and serious out of the superhero movies.

    But the big unanswered question is will the people making the new show really get it and somehow transition that it into something that works in different entertainment landscape than the one we had back during the original show? It will be great if they can make it work, but I don't have a lot of faith in them pulling such a tricky thing off.
     
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    Well the original had a lot of things people don't realize.
    (It was loosely implyed in the pilot to be Scotty(Cosby)(had another actor do a bad Cosby impersonation) from I Spy gets Killed and Kelly (Culp/Bill) teams up with a Superhero.

    They even did a Parody of it on SNL with Eddie Murphy doing his Cosby impression.
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    Ralph was more or less set up as Mr Kotter with his own version of the sweathogs.

    So the series was basically Mr. Kotter gets a magic superhero suit and teams up with Kelly from I Spy. But written in a more serious manner.

    As someone else mentioned Ralph had a very solid personal life and was good at his job. His superheroing was what kept screwing up his life and he wasn't good at it. He'd be dead 20 times over if the suit didn't make him bullet proof.

    Liberal teamed up with Hippy.

    His girlfriend actually knew his secret identity (Which in those days was different)

    Bill was the one that wanted Ralph to use his powers all the time to take on the bad guys and Ralph was the one advising caution. If it was up to Bill, they would have sent Ralph barreling into the Kremlin to dismantle the Soviet Union. He'd have had Ralph knocking down the wall 10 years earlier.

    So there was a good mix of ideologies and personalities.

    It was created by Steven J Cannell, who also created the Rockford files, the A-team, 21 Jump Street, Hunter, Hard Castle and McCormick among others. So it had a solid writing team behind it.

    The real reason the show did so poorly the third season was they changed the day it was on and put it against the first season of Knight rider.

    But this appears to be once again Hollywood only remembering one aspect of a show and then taking it off in an even further in the wrong direction. Though there were comedy elements, it was more written as typical crime drama of the time where character had real world issues and consequences.

    Hollywood seems to only remember the funny person in tights who smashes into walls. They forget all the other plot areas that made the series work.
     
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    Garbage material is garbage material, even Patrick Stewart would have struggled with the fucking crap Voyager's writers were churning out - and I remind you that was the man that managed to nearly sell 'Encounter at Farpoint' single-handed.
     

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