The reason why those against new KOs should voice themselves (in right way and place)

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  1. Paradigm-Shift Prime

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    It might make a difference!

    Depending on what your concerns with them are, if these concerns are well communicated, and come up often enough (go democratic process!) they just may get back to the producers and change their marketing strategy, as indicated here:

    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1735235&postcount=321

    They're not going to stop making them or anything but perhaps some of the strongest concerns (i.e. scamming, misrepresenting) can be addressed. I know that when Spencer tells them things like this feedback-wise that I am one of those voices he is communicating back to them.
     
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    Soundblaster1 The Heisenberg of Toys

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    I still want a third party source to check the paint for lead. Hell, I'll do it if someone sends me the figs...
     
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    The most common one I hear is KO's are meant to be cheap and affordable versions of the real thing, instead of being about the same price as the real thing.
     
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    Soundblaster1 The Heisenberg of Toys

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    The thing is... These are bootlegs... There's a difference.
     
  5. Bryan

    Bryan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Linky no worky.
     
  6. Paradigm-Shift Prime

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    sorry fixed up
     
  7. smkspy

    smkspy is one nice fucking kitty

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    Page not found yo.

    Though I'm all for removing copyrights and such, but the reason these sell is the so close to G1 nature. Unless they're drastically altered (i.e. paint schemes) people that want to scam will still try to past these off has originals. Its the nature of the beast unfortunately.


    Now watch this thread degrade into the usual pro-bootleg vs anti-bootleg tripe.
     
  8. Paradigm-Shift Prime

    Paradigm-Shift Prime Unit Warrior TFW2005 Supporter

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    a)link work now?

    b) yeah I don't like that intentionality of how they are sold/marketed (as 'sneaky' items), my main concern really

    c) hehe, yeah I posted this on a positive tip, as a 'let's both be happy' attempt, as I feel there are reasonable concerns there for collectors without needing to involve the polarized/extreme-end arguing or even the black and white 'all-for vs. totally against'.
     
  9. smkspy

    smkspy is one nice fucking kitty

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    Yep link works now.

    I think removing copyright on the figures themselves, and printing a current copyright date somewhere on the boxes would be the perfect solution. Other than that, any changes to these figures would make them less desirable. Still people would try to use these to scam others, but the same can be said for loose reissues.
     
  10. Laser_Optimus

    Laser_Optimus Your opinion was noted. Now get lost. TFW2005 Supporter

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    Well, they're not my cup of tea personally, but I can see why people like them. In any case my only real complaint are the eBay scammers that try to sell these as originals or just the people whom sell them that 'don't know any better'. Personally, I think the best thing for the bootlegers to do is to remove the copyrights from the figures and to intentionally change the G1 stylized packaging ever so slightly so that it can be identified as one of their's. Of course, Spencer or others can pass on to the fandom at large what the changes are so that we can be educated (as we are now).
     
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    I hate ko's that try and pass as originals.
     
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    And so the degredation begins...
     
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    Soundblaster1 The Heisenberg of Toys

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    [Sesame Street]
    Those are called BOOTLEGS. Say it with me. "BOOTLEGS"
    [/Sesame Street]

    The whole point of a BOOTLEG is to mimic the original.
     
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    Yep those are the two main points I try to voice and would really like to see changed too (it still leaves me unsettled with the weapons/parts and how they'll be mixed into collections 5 years down the road): the trademark stamp and boxes.
     
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    Personally, I'm writing a letter to Hasbro. If you feel the same way, I suggest you do the same.

    Brian Goldner
    c/o Hasbro Inc.
    1027 Newport Avenue
    Pawtucket, RI 02862
     
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    The weapons/parts thing doesn't really bother me considering we already have reprolabels and reproparts on the market. The boxes should include a current date though.
     
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    I'm all for them changing the packaging to reflect that it's a KO, the bigger and bolder the better - as for the toy inside, don't change anything but the stamps, and things like painted-on details instead of stickers don't hurt either.

    Bring on the high-quality fakes, but don't misrepresent!

    Unfortunately, even if they did make them blatantly obvious, I still don't think that would be good enough for the anti-KO league.
     
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    Well, good luck with that. I'm not sure it's worth their time or their resources to deal with this. It's not loosing them any money and they aren't likely to do anything about it.
     
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    It's more constructive than bitching on the internet.
     
  20. domientius

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    I never got the "vintage" mentality. People who would rather pay more for a vintage loose toy than a near-identical reissue confuse me. Nor do I understand the backlash against repro stickers amongst collectors.

    I don't midn the new bootlegs on principle, but I do object to the price fixing tactics which make them cost so much.
     

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