The reason for Non-combination?

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  1. TranstechCat

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    I've been adding all the ROTF toys revealed (officially or not) to a list, using the numbers of deluxes/voyagers given at the start of the year.

    Something occurred to me when I added Long Haul to the Voyagers...

    Assuming the numbers were correct, one of the "Combiner Teams" is going to be short a member this year:

    Deluxe: (22/24)
    "Preview" Bumblebee
    "Preview" Soundwave
    Breakaway
    Mudflap
    Skids
    Sideswipe
    Sideways
    "Ice Cream Truck" Skids & Mudflap
    Wheelie
    Jolt
    Scorponok*
    Ravage
    Blaze Master
    Swerve
    Dead End
    "Desert" Brawl
    "Cannon" Bumblebee
    "Interrogator" Barricade
    Smokescreen
    Chromia
    Arcee
    ???
    Constructicon Rampage
    ???

    Voyager: (11/11)
    Starscream
    The Fallen
    Megatron
    Stratosphere (& Optimus Prime)
    "Unnamed Blackout (& Scorponok) Redeco"
    Optimus Prime
    Ironhide
    "Desert Tracker" Ratchet
    Constructicon Demolisher
    Constructicon Mixmaster
    Constructicon Long Haul

    Leader: (3/3)
    Megatron
    Jetfire
    Optimus Prime


    Constructicons covered: 4/6 (7?)
    "Bike Bots" covered: 2/3

    Number of 2009 toys not seen yet: 2

    Either they're only doing 5 of the 6(7?) Constructicons in 2009, or they're leaving out that last bike bot/"arcee sister"...

    I honestly can't see them only doing two of the three bike triplets (especially if they combine as rumored), so maybe...

    What if this is why they didn't give the "regular" Constructicons combination abilities? Maybe they knew they'd be short one (or two) until next year, and they didn't want to people to have to wait until 2010 for some kind of Devastator?

    Something to consider.


    * - TFWiki says that there was a Walmart listing for a ROTF Deluxe Scorponok...
     
  2. firehawc_69

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    Where are your #/24, #/11, #/3 numbers coming from, who said these are official release numbers? You're trying to do math with too many unknown variables.
     
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    Toyfair '09 Hasbro Press Release concerning ROTF toys.
     
  4. butz

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    "24 characters" so why does Bumblebee count twice (not to mention Skids and Mudflap), unless they mean 24 figures?
     
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    1. Why would they care about that?

    2. If they did, wouldn't they have just pushed some of the other figs (Swerve, Dead End, Barricade, Blaze Master, etc.) back instead?
     
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    It should be clear by now that Hasbro regularly browse TF forums. Every so often, they make a decision like this, then sit back in velvet smoking jackets and laugh. Laugh until the tears run like rivers from their eyes. Then they light a cigar with a burning MISB Sunstreaker and drink a martini made with a fanboy's tears.
     
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    1. Money... Devastator is going to be one of those characters that people (especially kids) will presumably go apejive over. Given the trailers seen so far for the movie/games, he features prominently in the story and is just all around bad-arse. Not having a toy representation (outside of sub-line "Power Bots" and "Robot Heroes" versions) until at least six months after the movie's release? That's just bad business...

    2. Who knows... Money perhaps? Maybe they were only budgeted for X-Number of totally new deluxe/voyager molds for the year, and there just wearn't enough to cover all the new characters?
     
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    OH I dunno maybe if they didn't fill the range up with repaints they might have room to put those characters. I mean its not like we need 3 deluxe versions of bumblebee do we?
     
  9. Ravenxl7

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    The more I've thought about it, the more I think that the 24/11/3 was just original molds/retools, and doesn't include straight repaints. Especially with the Leader's count. I can't see them not repainting the three Leader class figures. They'll probably each get at least one repaint, if not two. The count could also be old, and they could have added to it, and didn't have the updated list ready for Toy Fair. In the end we'll just have to wait and see.
     
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    Again, I ask....official numbers? Not press release. And where are the numbers for Scounts and Legends? Which wave(s) is/are they referring to?

    My point is, these numbers aren't set in stone...too many variables. Anything can happen.
     
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    Here's a list I've made. It excludes all straight repaints. One way or another I think the numbers given are wrong. If not, they are just the numbers for this years figures, and we'll see figures threw at least half of next year, so they could be waiting for those later waves to release certain characters.

    Deluxes:
    01.Pre.Bumblebee
    02.Sideswipe
    03.Skids
    04.Mudflap
    05.Ice-Cream Twins
    06.Jolt
    07.Breakaway
    08.Blaze Master
    09.Cannon Bumblebee
    10.Arcee
    11.Chromia
    12.Bike-bot 3
    13.Wheelie
    14.Ratchet
    15.Swerve
    16.Pre.Soundwave
    17.Barricade
    18.Sideways
    19.Dead end
    20.Ravage
    21.Lockdown
    22.
    23.
    24.

    Voyagers:
    01.Ironhide
    02.Stratosphere
    03.Megatron
    04.Starscream
    05.Fallen
    06.Demolishor
    07.Mixmaster
    08.Long Haul
    09.
    10.
    11.

    Leaders:
    01.Optimus Prime
    02.Jetfire
    03.Megatron

    Three Deluxe's and three Voyagers. Scrapper, Hightower, and potentially Overload are three of the six characters that should be getting larger main line figures. Personally, I'm hoping we also get a Voyager Jetfire mold. That way I don't have to get the Leader to get a good sized figure of him.

    As far as I've seen, there haven't been any listings for any RotF Deluxe Scorponok figures. Only Scorponok figure we're getting that we know of is the little guy that's coming with the Voyager Blackout repaint.
     
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    I have a feeling this is also what your doing while writing your posts. :lol 
    ohh.....while a Steven Segal movie is playing in the background.
     
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    Well you can't really take trailers into account...who knows, maybe that part with Devastator in the trailer is the one and only scene he's in? I'm just thinking about the Bonecrusher/ Optimus scene from all the TF1 trailers, which was 99% of what Bonecrusher was actually seen in the movie.
     

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