The One?

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  1. RoboRic

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    I am making my own personal Transfrmers canon and I have a few questions:

    1) Why do Primus and Unicron hate each other?

    2)Who is the One?
     
  2. Alpha Prime

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    Yep...
     
  3. RoboRic

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    1)why was he corrupt?

    2)further explanation?
     
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    hang on. if youre making up youre own canon, why ask these questions? you can just make it up.

    like making bumblebee the chose one for example.
     
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    1. Twin brothers, one light, one dark.

    2. Neo.
     
  6. RoboRic

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    I need to know those things. in further explanation. What do you mean neo? so what if they are twin brothers?
     
  7. Alpha Prime

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    IDk know why Unicron has issues.

    The one would be similar to God, Jewish God, Allah, Tom Cruise, or your choice of Diety. (This includes Mr. Deity)
     
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    :lol  I don't think he meant the Matrix.

    You should check wikipedia.org :

    Unicron

    Primus
     
  9. RoboRic

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    one more question: where did vector sigma come from?
     
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    KA PENIS GOES WHERE?!!

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    actually, by one, he would mean a prophet of sorts, like jesus/mohamed/moses, etc.

    meanwhile, buddha to buddhism is a different concept.

    chk your theology studies pal ;) 
     
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    This is all personal opinion, so take none of it as gospel or canon.

    Vector Sigma said that "Before Cybertron was, I was."
    This implies that he predates Cybertron, somehow. Given that the cartoon has Cybertron as a former Quintesson colony / factory world, it might be that the Quints brought Vector Sigma to Cybertron.
    Vector was also used in the Dreamwave comics but never explained.
    My opinion is that Vector Sigma is a form of AI created before Primus went to sleep to allow his children to interact with him and recreate - if we assume that the Allspark & Matrix are both aspects of Primus, then when he creates Transformers, Vector Sigma inparts a part of Primus into the body of the Transformer.

    This all reads into my theory of just what the Lord of Order Primus is, of course. In my mind, Primus stands for order, and Unicron for chaos. Primus, to further his goal of universal order, imparts a piece of himself to every Transformer, the goal being to make a settled universe, with every Transformer playing some small role in the grand scheme, a scheme so vast Primus alone can fully comprehend it.

    Unicron, in this theory, stands for chaos. He is opposed to Primus (unless we use the Vorlon / Shadow model, more on that later). Where Primus wants to make a consistent pattern for the universe, Unicron believes in the opposite. Entropy, and chaos, the destruction of all.

    My basis for this idea is the scientific theories about how the universe might end - in order (the stars burn out and the universe grows cold) or in chaos (the universe collapses under its own weight and succumbs to entropy). The two ideas are totally opposed. Primus and Unicron are, to my mind, not gods or anything like that, they are aspects of the universe itself, these two processes.

    Now, you can turn this idea about a bit. Primus stands for the fading out. Nothing new can come from it. Unicron's collapse, on the other hand, can birth a new universe - and I think he may have even done it once, if you look at Furman's run on G1, where Unicron slept in an inert void before a new universe formed. So is Primus in the wrong for stopping the universe from being reborn at the appointed time?

    Now, let's touch on the Vorlon / Shadow thing. If you've seen Babylon 5, you'll get what I mean here. If not, I recommend it, it is excellent Sci-fi and has a very good ongoing storyline.

    In B5, the Vorlons stood for order, and the Shadows for chaos. Both wanted the younger races to grow, but their methods were completely opposed, to the point where they could no longer cooperate and tried to wipe each other out. However, neither side was completely right. You can easily apply this idea to the basic idea of Primus and Unicron, as it essentially sums them up quite nicely. They both want what is best for the universe - Unicron by encouraging further creation by spreading entropy and chaos, ultimately leading to a new universe. Primus wants instead to guide the universe down a more peaceful path, creating a utopia that will end with the universe, with nothing more to follow.


    This is all my personal theology about those two. The various media has never really given either of them much development, although there is plenty of scope for working out your own thing. I like this idea as it makes neither one good nor evil, but something far, far greater, as beings of this power should be, in my opinion.
     
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    We're both wrong.

    The one=The source

     
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    I do not understand that explanation at all. Help? And what is "AI"?
     
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    The source is what created the universe before splitting into Primus and Unicron.
     
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    That's a pretty basic explnation. Energon blob split into good and evil gods, P&U.

    AI= Artificial Intellegence
     
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    I believe Vangelus is The One True Fan. Dunno if that helps.
     
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    Dark Magnus Your opinion is wrong!

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    Jet Li is definitely The One.
     
  19. RoboRic

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    Umm, what?:confused:  Wait, are you saying I am a butt?:lol 
     
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    Yes, let us do so.
     

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