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  1. Theoutcast87

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    The franchises in the long term. The critics seem to bash the movie because of Bay's past. I wouldn't blame the guy. He does what he think is right for him. I rather blame Hasbro and Paramount for giving him too much freedom. This is my theory: Spielberg, Orzi and Kurtzman had controll most of the scripts from the first movie, since they wrote it before Bay came into the picture. I know Spielberg had that idea about the Transformers wouldn't speak case, but you can't deny that he and Orci\Kurtzman brought the magic that are still missing from this movie. I'm not in the ''bashing Bay'' bandwagon, but I want to point the blame on Hasbro for allowing this.
     
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    " The critics seem to bash the movie because of Bay's past."

    can you give an example? all the reviews I've read and listened to made specific points towards whats going on in AOE, not about other films.
     
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    Silver transformers who look like mecha, don't speak at all, and have hardly any fight scenes are "the magic"
     
  4. MasterZero

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    Yes, I can.

    I think this movie had a lot more magic in it then the first movie did.
     
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    I really think it's significantly improved to be honest, but the damage from ROTF and DOTM is so severe people simply aren't seeing the improvements because they've already started watching with a "lol stupid Bay" mindset from the start.
     
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    Like what exactly?
     
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    Haven't all the reviews, but they blame Bay in a more subtle way.
     
  8. MasterZero

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    Less bad jokes, more characterization to the Autobots, better villains, better characters, and better lines for those characters.

    Hound, Crosshairs, and Drift are more developed characters, who I like more, than Ironhide, Jazz, and Ratchet.
     
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    I agree with all you listed, but that doesn't make the movie good.
     
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    I haven't seen it yet, nor will I rush to see it, but if it took 4 movies for these things to get better than Bay is just as much to blame as any producer or studio head is.
     
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    You mean how the Autobots are ***holes in this movie, just like the villains, including Optimus Prime? Ugh! Not how I want to think of the good guys being.

    Also, seriously you thought Tessa was a "better character" for the movie? The girl can't act. Even her screaming when she was caught in the middle of the fight between Prime and Galvatron on the highway came across as real hammy. Also, the Steve Jobs "Tucci" character was real corny. The scene where he started yelling at his scientists followed by hitting the clear-computer board every so often just felt so damned forced. I cringed at that part. :redface2: 
     
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    The critics didn't make a dent in the Transformers Movie Machine after ROTF, which was spectacularly bad. They certainly aren't going to have an impact now. Nobody cares about critics anyways, they're just a bunch whiny a-holes to begin with.
     
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    I disagree. The movie was very good, if you ask me. I also think the first movie is the weakest of the four, or very close to weakest.
     
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    The same thing was said for every movie until now. But we're still trucking along.
     
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    How was Optimus a villain?

    Yes, the other Autobots were jerks, but I feel like that was a point they were trying to make. Without bots like Bumblebee and Optimus, the Autobots aren't much better than the Cons. Crosshairs points out how Optimus has the charisma to get them to lead them, and Drift points out that's WHO Optimus is. The leader that unites them all.

    Yes. I do. I mean, the girl saved herself from Lockdown's ship. That easily gets points for me. And a lot of her freaking out was completely justified for me. A missile nearly killed her, and she was being kidnaped by an alien sociopath. I'd scream too.

    She even helped at the climatic fight against Lockdown.
     
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    Financially? I highly doubt it.
     
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    I didn't say he was a villain, but how he came across as one. He wanted to kill humans? He wanted to abandon them? This isn't the same Prime that had the idea that humans should be protected at all costs for their right of freedom, even when betrayed. How many times have the Autobots been betrayed in past cartoons and movies? Despite the constant betrayals, Prime always held onto the beliefs that he should protect humans at all costs.

    However, in this movie it was like after 30 years of betrayal by humans, he suddenly had enough of it? LMAO! This Optimus Prime in AoE was very unlikeable and not the hero I once thought he was and cried over when he died in the 1986 movie when I was 12 years old. I wanted this Optimus Prime to get killed with the rest of the jerk Autobots.
     
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    Yeah. That's the point. This is an Optimus who has been near broken. All of his friends are dead, but even worse, they were melted down. There's not even a body left behind for most of them. They were slaughtered by people he scarified EVERYTHING for. He gave up a chance to save his own planet, and how does he see humanity thank him? By killing his friends. He's given up, that's the point of the movie.


    To my knowledge? Never to this scale. This is a continuity where the humans can kill a Transformer. And they do. Brutally. They slaughter the Autobots, and melt down their corpses. They've never done that before.

    Its only been about 10 or so years since the first movie, I think.

    And yes. He's had enough. Because they killed most of his friends. You don't think that...upsets people?

    Then I don't think you really understand Optimus Prime. You think he's supposed to be perfect, but he's not.
     
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    Yeah the foolish humans locking the bots up or not trusting them is one thing, but they've NEVER slaugthered Autobots and desecrated their corpses for spare parts before.

    Like the Decepticons never actually slaughtering tons of people on screen until the films, human brutality has been raised to another level, and Optimus got more serious to compensate.
     
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    go watch some G1 cartoons and you'll see the constant human betrayal he dealt with, aside from Spike, Daniel and Spike's dad, and he still held fast to the idea that he was supposed to protect humans. IIRC, there was a mad scientist in one episode who was trying to destroy earth, by putting the Autobots in danger of being killed, by bringing cybertron in earth's atmosphere with the help of Megatron?

    I am speaking of the 30 years of Transformer franchise and Prime's character as a hero. Humans have put autobots in danger before, but he always held fast to protect humans from the decepticons.

    This is a Michael Bay flick. Not a Shakespearian movie that needs to have the main hero conflicted between right-and-wrong. I came for robot-on-robot action, like a Transformer's cartoon, not a deep philosophical ideological movie about character conflict.

    Ugh...the more I argue and think about this movie's plot, the more I am despising it. :( 
     

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