I don't think anyone typing in the hundreds of boards here at TFW2005 has ever discuss this. I assume the majority of us are males, and chances are most of us are married. They probably think we're weird-asses to be talking about "a bunch of kids' toys!", and maybe they don't understand. Nonetheless we've made them our wives for a reason, and since we are men, I do believe they is alot to be said about them. Brothers from different mothers, I'm beginning this thread for you, the married members, who just simply want to vent whatever is on your mind. I think it's good for us as we come together on, 'cuz I know I'm not alone on this. This isn't some circle or male bonding session to start bawling all over each other. I would like to know what's on your minds. Go ahead, vent. Say it. Get real. I encourage it!