The Military presence in the films...

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  1. Godzilla Ranger

    Godzilla Ranger AgentGodzillaRangerPrime

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    Is anyone sick of the military presence in the films?
    These are films about giant alien robots, not a military advertisment. I think it was ok in the first film, but it got out of hand in ROTF with the introduction of NEST.
    An example is the desert battle at the end of ROTF. Nearly the whole battle were scenes of NEST guys shooting bullets at the decepticons and getting blown up, while we see only short glimps of any of the Autobots. There were also the 2 minutes dedicated to planes taking off and the eventual extermination of Devestator by not an Autobot, but a classified military weapon. Hell, we get a lot of this at the beginning of the Shanghai mission. Why don't they just focus on scenes with Lennox and Epps. Hopefully they tone it down in TF3, but from what I've seen, it's might not happen.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. Starscreamer95

    Starscreamer95 'Civil' Nintendo Fanboy

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    Well, in a movie like this, the millitary is indeed in need of screen time.
    However, I do agree that the final battle in ROTF may have been a little low in showing us any of the Autobots...

    Hopefully TF3 shows us a hell of a lot of what we want, which, as Chicargo is the 'final battle' or something.. I can see the Autobots getting a lot more screen time.
     
  3. Scythe

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    I thought it was too much too, which makes me think: With the attention to military presence and explosions, why didn't Bay direct G.I. Joe?
     
  4. Santoanderson

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    I'm getting sick of it. It feels like having a CG transformer on screen costs 5 million dollars a minute, and Bay, trying to fill-up screen time on the cheap, uses the military.

    And don't get me started with the whole "Military kills Devastator with one shot" scene.
     
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    Because G.I Joe's elements.. Aren't exactly real enough for Bay, hence why NEST are useing real weapons.
     
  6. ectoneon

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    I don't mind the military as it's kinda necessary. No military screen time means no movie deal with them, wich means no military vehicle altmodes. Seriously -the ammount of co-operation bay has gotten from the military is astounding. But I would have to agree they need to focus more on Lennox and Eps. They were a good team in the first film, ROTF they just seemed like they were there for the heck of it.
     
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    That's why the final battle needs to be set on Cybertron = No humans..
     
  8. hound88

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    it is more than too much in ROTF. THe battle shooting scene near the end is just boom boom boom boom boom explosions here and there. We wanna see robots fight, not stupid military.
    Check out www.tfbase.com where there's a comment about ROTF and what made ROTF such a bad movie.
     
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    Yeah, but that B.F.G. that took out Devs wasn't exactly realistic.
     
  10. Merman Jones

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    I think the military add scale and dimension to the battle sequences. If it was just TFs it would feel more like a robot street fight, which is fun, but not hollywood-level epic. Supposing the final battle in ROTF was just bots, the screen would seem empty; just 20 odd TFs in the middle of a desert, which is hardly a battle.
     
  11. Bumblethumper

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    I hate it. I hate that a movie based on children's toys becomes a recruitment tool for making military look all tough and awesome.

    Having a military presence in the films is probably inevitable, but they shouldn't take the focus away from transformers. They should be more of a background element.
     
  12. Silk Spectre

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    I have no problem with the military presence in the movies - I loved the idea of NEST and wanted to see more of it.

    I would much rather see NEST than Sam at college, Sam struggling through a normal life/job. With annoying characters like Leo eating up screen time.

    If we'd seen more of NEST we would've seen more of the rest of the Autobots, not to mention more of the Decepticons.
     
  13. Ash from Carolina

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    I thought it was handled well in the first movie until we got to the last battle. The first 3/4th seemed to handle it really well, the military wasn't a total pushover, but it felt like they really needed the Autobots to save the day. Plus the squad that Lennox had seemed like a good place to mine some good characters for the film, the sort of people you might be able to worry about in a fight.

    The last battle in the first film though is where the military aspect started to feel out of control. Killing Blackout and the human weapons hitting the Decepticons so hard started this feeling of we don't really need the Autobots, if you just added more humans and more weapons then the humans could carry the day all by themselves.

    Revenge of the Fallen just had this feeling of other than Prime taking on The Fallen the Autobots were not needed at all. Since NEST has equipment now that can detect Decepticons, air strikes can slaughter large numbers of Decepticons, they even have a rail gun that can take out any Decepticon. Well it just feels like the Autobots could go on vacation because the military can kick the Decepticons butt anywhere any time.
     
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    Chicago is actually Metroplex.

    Back on topic, I think the military involvement in TF3 will be quite interesting depending on the storyline. I agree that I would prefer a bit more Autobot vs. Decepticon though.
     
  15. Roadtrack

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    I don't think we will see too much millitary in the Chicago battle. We didn't saw tanks, NEST vehicles. All we saw were a bunch of soldiers running around. The emphasis was put on the Autubots' alt modes.
     
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    My feelings exactly.
     
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    there's not a chance in hell that you can have live action TF movie on Earth.... without military.... not a chance.
     
  18. Tkemert20

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    Seriously, think about it. If huge-ass evil aliens came to earth, do you expect the military to sit back and relax? Common sense right there.
     
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    this
     
  20. Ash from Carolina

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    I'm going to have to disagree.

    As large as the combined military force is of the entire world is we still don't have military bases and personnel by every single place on Earth.

    Plus it takes time to scramble aircraft, to move ships, to move tanks and other equipment. Not to mention that any military needs some sort of assessment of the situation. You can't send in the military every time something goes boom because sometime the boom isn't the bad guys it's just an accident with something like a gas main.

    Depending on how long the battle was it's realist to say the Autobots and Decepticons might be done fighting by the time the military figured out it was a battle and could get boots on the ground.
     

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