The Matrix

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  1. Wheeljack30

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    I tried reading on TFWIKI about the Matrix they say it's power and exactly how Prime described it, it posses the knowledge and wisdom of the ancient Autobot leader that preceded the current leader. The question who created the Matrix? And why couldn't the Decepticons have a Matrix of their own?

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    Geez, look it up on tfwik-- oh, wait. Okay. Uh, I don't know.
     
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    The actual, physical creation of the Matrix isn't really discussed much. It's said in the Marvel Comics that Primus bestowed it upon his children, and given the way it dates back to the beginning of the race and is intrinsically linked to the lifeforce of Primus, it's logical to assume he created it himself.

    The Decepticons don't need a Matrix because despite it's sometime-name, the Matrix isn't really the unique property of the Autobots - being a product of Primus, who is father to ALL Transformers, the Matrix is similarly for all Transformers. The Marvel Comics featured Thunderwing, a Decepticon born with an affinity for the Matrix who could have wielded its power just as well as any chosen Autobot could have. It's just that the Autobots have it monopolised, and use its power for good, as Primus would wish it, while the Decepticons would use it in ways contrary to Primus's legacy of light and order.
     
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    By Marvel comics you mean the 1984 comics?
     
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    Keep in mind that the G1 -era Matrix and the movie verse Matrix of Leadership are not the same thing. The G1 Matrix was used ( along with Vector Sigma and the underbase) as the basis for the All Spark.

    The movie verse Matrix of Leadership is a completely different device; It's a self contained power source, as well as being a derivative of the cube itself.
     
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    I do indeed.

    Yes, but the original intent of the ROTF script is for the Matrix to CHANGE from being just the Sun Harvester key into the new holder for the energies of the AllSpark, which the Primes transfer from Sam's mind into it, making it into the same life-giving, wisdom-holding, leader-borne talisman it is in every other universe (that got cut, unfortunately, the Matrix's continued presence in DOTM when it's never shown being recovered in ROTF suggests all of that still "happened" off-screen). The name was not chosen casually for the harvester key, there was a plan for it.
     
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    In the Film, the reason, why the Decepticons do not hunt for the Matrix, is clear, because "It can be only be deserved". It would have crumbled in the hands of any one of them. For the same reason, probably, Sentinel did not take the Matrix, he felt that it will show it a betrayal.
     
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    In the episode The Burden Hardest to Bear Scourge stole the Matrix and turned him into a monster, but why couldn't they turn him into something more like Rodimus
     
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    The Fallen/Megatronus is/was a Decepticon and he obtained the Matrix with no ease. You obviously haven't seen the 1986 film, Galvatron steals the matrix and has it around his neck, although hee can't open it it doesn't crumble.
     
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    So the knowledge and power of the cube are essentially now within the matrix?
     
  11. Chris McFeely

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    If you choose to believe that the events from the ROTF script happened off-screen (which at least some of them did, since DOTM shows that the Matrix didn't blow up with the Sun Harvester), then yeah.
     
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    You are talking about Sunbow G1 and the Bay movies as if they are all the same thing. Why?
     
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    He likes insulting G1? I dunno
     
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    No, Russian Fan was talking about RoTF and how Decepticons can even hold the matrix or something along those lines.
     
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    Because Scourge wasn't a chosen Matrix bearer.
     
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    only primes carring maritx -
     
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    That makes no sense. The cube was extinguished in Megatron's spark, and no contact with the Matrix.

    Then again, it's Bayverse...plot holes are ignored.
     
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    its the knownledge that Sam had in his head after he had contact with the shard he had, after he was revived all of the knownledge Sam had in his head would had moved into the matrix
     
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    Did... did you *watch* ROTF? The cube wasn't extinguished. Its power survived in its slivers, and when Sam touched one, it transferred into him. And the plan in the ROTF script was for the Dynasty of Primes to transfer the power out of Sam, into the remains Matrix, reconstructing it out of the dust and giving it the power to bring Optimus back to life.
     

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