The Life and Death of Jean Grey.... [Question]

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  1. Witwicky Camaro

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    I was looking at some X-Men Pictures the other day, and I was wondering....


    How many times has Jean Grey (As Either version of Pheonix or Otherwise stated) been Killed and Resurrected exactly in the various X-Men series? I mean, thinking about it, It just kinda feels redundant to me, but then I never really read X-Men Comics (a lot), so it just might be my line of thinking.

    Why not bring her back to life and keep 'er that way, or kill her and keep her that way?
     
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    The first time it wasn't her, the phoenix entity apparently buried her in the river and the FF find her later. Then her clone(scott's wife) maddlyn dies. Then Some stuff happens and she aparently gains Maddlynn and Phoneix memories. Then she dies again. So that make 2 to four times she may or may not have died.
     
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    I remember 281? the first issue for the Gold Team with a dead Jean being held in Colossus's arms. That was some good stuff there.

    Her life, death, and return has basicly become the dominant theme of her character. Its become quite boring IMO.

    Frankly, I just wish she would stay dead cause Emma is like a 1000x more interesting than Jean ever was, but she'll be back thats for certain.

    I actually came up with a brilliant way for Jean to return without the Phoenix force being involved. Originally it was my idea for bringing Colossus back, but since his return I've used Jean instead, and it works even better.
     
  4. Witwicky Camaro

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    I never had the pleasure of reading Issue #281.... Maybe My brother has it in his collection (mahahawhaa.... rumaging is fun).

    Hopefully, when Jean comes back she's not the "Phoenix", she just's "Jean Grey" Telepathic Wonder and former lover/wife of Scott Summers (I hope they don't pair her up with Wolverine, though). Oh, and that she stays ALIVE this time and doesn't die.


    Yeah, I rather like Emma Frost too (Her relationship with Cyclops is totally dymanic. It even makes him more interesting); She's like what Faith was to Buffy's third season, only a lot more defined and devious if you get my meaning.

    So, do you plan on pitching this idea to MARVEL comics, or are you gonna FanFiction-ize it?
     
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    I should probably fanfictionalize or something. Right now its an entire three year run for both Uncanny and Adjectiveless. I couldn't pitch to Marvel unless I had control, but not being a comic writer I'd never get the job. I need to type something up though cause this story has been in my head developing for fifteen years now.
     
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    Ummm the very term "Phoenix" implies repeated deaths and rebirths. It may be redundant, but that's because it's supposed to be.
     
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    Damn if this is true, then Marvel must've gotten into my head b/c Cassandra Nova is a key player in my Return of Jean Grey story.


    :::goes to put on tin foil hat:::
     
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    Ugh. No. No. No. No. No.

    They need to put Emma back to being a b-list/c-list villain.
     
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    :lolol  Either you love Emma or you absolutely hate her to death. IMO Morrison's use of her breathed life back into the X-men at the perfect time following Scott's possession by Apocalypse. Any other time, and his affair with her would've feel forced like it did with his near affair with Betsy.

    For me at least, Jean (and by extension her marriage to Scott) had really become boring and just a stale character. She was serving absolutely no purpose in the X-men other than being Scott's wife. I remember reading Uncanny after The Twelve ended thinking to myself why in the world she was still with the team other than to keep her mind off Scott's 'death'. By the time Morrison killed her off, I really felt that her character had run its course. There is really isn't much that can be done with her storywise now. I guess the Phoenix Saga Part III or IV, but how many time can Marvel rehash the same story...probably about as many times as they can cripple/decripple/'kill' Xavier I guess.
     
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    I like Emma as a villain. I don't care for her at all as an X-Man. (BTW, her "mini-series" which was like 15 issues, was a damn fine read if anyone here hasn't read it)

    I got into comics at the time just after X-Factor was formed. I have a pretty strong attachment to all 5 Original X-Men. Angel and Iceman being my favorite X-Men, Cyke coming in right behind. I like Jean. I hate Morrison. I couldn't stomach 90% of his X-Men run.

    I got out of comics in the mid 90's, just after the whole Onslaught debacle, and the Spidey-clone debacle. Didn't pick them up again until '01 or '02 or so. So I missed quite a bit of what you are talking about. I've since read everything I missed, but because that was over the course of a few weeks, as opposed to spread out over years, it probably didn't have the same impact on me.

    I feel Jean was underused, as opposed to becoming stale. They could easily have gone the divorce route. Have her on another team. Hell, anything rather than just killing her off. Then again, Marvel can't seem to handle a simple divorce, as evident by reading Spider-man.
     
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    Emma did make a great villain that certainly is true, and I'll always hate Emma just a tad cause shes the one that started the Iceman is gay controversy.

    I think I got into comics X-Men around the same time also, and have stuck with them ever since though some times it hurts(claremont's second run, Marrow and the worm guy, definitely chuck austen). I think it was around Inferno cause I remember how badass both Iceman and Archangel seemed.

    Though you are right about Jean being underused. Hell, it took Marvel nearly a decade to Phoenix her official codename. I loved the issue around Onslaught when she making fun of her codename being Telepath.

    I thought Morrison's run started off really strong even though I always hated the leather S&M uniforms, but towards the end he just seemed to really lose his interest whether it was in Marvel has a company or the title I dunno.

    I wouldn't mind Jean coming back if done right, but I'd hate to see the Emma/Scott relationship become Inferno Part 2 simply because she is back and now they gotta em them back together. I'd like to see her come back as a major villain, possibly teamed up with Magneto, or start a relationship with Wolverine. Just something not her and Scott again.

    I think I'll type up a rough outline of my idea to bring her this weekend and post it. It'll never get printed so I don't know why I keep it so guarded.
     
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    :eek:  Say what? Is this some joke people took too seriously? Or did become a reality?



    Nay, Belay that order! I do not want Jean Grey as a Villain. Anything but a Villain, especially one teamed up with Magneto. She was too damn Shakespearian when she was Dark Phoenix and honestly, they would totally try to create some "Mortal Enemy, Bitter Former Lovers" subplot between herself and Scott, like they did with Buffy and Angel in the second season of BTVS (I couldn't stand to watch the "Angelous" Story arc, its was downright unbearable until the finale). No, I would rather have her return (Un-Pheonix'ed), become a member of whatever branch of the X-Men [series] teams and [re]develop her character from there, take her out of the shadow of what ultimately got her stuck in a loop in the first place (Phoenix Force), which honestly needs to find a new Universe to terrorize or save, IMHO.

    And, honestly, the chemistry of JeanxScott (otherwise known as, Jott in some circles) has indeed died in comicverse land (thanks to the many various writers who watch too many NBC TV Dramas, particularly ER). They shouldn't get back together as Scott and Emma has become an established couple, but doesn't mean they couldn't remain comrades like Cyclops and Storm were (or are). Friends fighting for whatever cause the X-Men take up. She doesn't have to become a villain or become romantically involved with anyone. And I hope to God on High, they don't pair Jean Grey up with Wolverine. I can't stand that relationship in any medium of the X-Men Universe, whatsoever, and not because of obvious [former] reasons either. They just don't work well together beyond the terms "Infatuation" or "Lust". I could puke thinking about it.




    Most writers are guarded about their stuff (be it Copyrighted or Original). Its a natural instinct since most have a tenancy to steal ideals, even if most people think on the same wave length and just go about it differently.


    "Great Minds Think for themselves", though.
     
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    That's actually one of the upcoming X-Men Legacy covers. And it's about the resurrection of Jean Grey but actually prof x moving through his memories/sub conscious to peice to together his mind.


    PS Emma = Awesome in any form. I prefer her on the X-Men though
     
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    Jean is boring. Emma rules. Blame the writers for never doing anything interesting with Jean. I'd almost say that Scott is a more interesting character then Jean. Scott at least show's some pain over the difficult decisions he's had to make in his life, and he takes his leadership role seriously. All Jean ever do was "exist" and go ballistic as the Phoenix. Not at all interesting. The red and black phoenix costume is an all time classic look, but a great costume does not make a great character.

    I like Emma more as a hero anyway. She belongs on the X-Men but she doesn't feel the need to "get along" with anyone. She makes a great foil for just about anyone.
     
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    You just described Wolverine.
     
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    The only person Logan doesn't get along with is Scott. And even now, they're like hugging and kissing each other while attending funerals. The only time Logan never got along with people was when he very first joined the team. The second time he really got riled up was when Sabretooth was being held in the mansion. Oh yeah, and he disliked Marrow a little bit. But Logan is actually a pretty mellow/easy going guy with his teammates.

    Emma will openly insult you. During this last crossover storyline, she had this really funny insult about Monet. I wish I could remember it...
     
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    emma > jean. if only for that ridiculous costume.
     
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    The best ever appearance of Jean Grey was in an issue of X-Men that I believe was just after Inferno; all the guys had gone into town to get drunk and blow off steam and wandered into the middle of an alien invasion.
    Which they fended off whilst pretty much blind drunk.
    Anyway, the aliens' last ditch weapon was something called "The Jean Bomb". The aliens said it was a devastating weapon which would "pit brother against brother" and tear relationships apart. It got destroyed when their mother ship was blown up, with the line "Jean...? Nah."
    I LOL'd for ages over that one.
     
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    Aye. Uncanny X-Men 245, the issue right after the first appearance of one of my favorites, Jubilee. It was when they were in Australia. Some of Mark Silvestri's most awesome artwork. And another "bleh" cover by Rob Liefeld.

    The issue was also a dig at DC comics. The aliens were almost duplicates of some alien race running rampant at DC at the time.

    From DC:
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    From the X-Men issue in question:
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