The lack of realism. Or "Prime vs. This much better thing"

Discussion in 'Transformers Robots In Disguise / Prime Discussion' started by SPLIT LIP, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP AKA Beve Stuscemi

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    Picking up from a conversation I had earlier, I realise one of the big problems with this show is the general lack of real, down-to-Earth characters and interactions. The conversations are always so... designed. So unconvincing. It's unrealistic. And no, smart guy, (yeah you, dude about to type "BUT THEY'RE SPACE ROBOTS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE REALISTIC") I don't mean realistic senarios, I mean realistic characters. Characters who don't seem like obviously written characters in a TV show. It's always "remember that time I did that super awesome thing?" Or "remember that space battle and space robot battle space battle robot?" or "Robot terms joke!" To compare to the current MTMTE comic, Prime feels completely un-genuine. So force, so planned. The characters don't discuss or have conversations, they take turns saying canned "epic" or "mature" lines with a few awkward Transformers references here and there and a movie quote.

    Example, in IDW's most recent issue of MTMTE Swerve talks about pranking the paranoid Red Alert by moving the furniture of his room while he's asleep and pretending nothing's happened. Prime has nothing on that hilarity, and said hilarity wasn't even seen, merely described, still to great comedic effect. Prime can't, because none of the characters have personalities that can interact like that. The Prime Autobots would never prank eachother because they have no flaws to take advantage of for comedic effect, except maybe Ratchet, but he has no one to work off. these xamples existed in Aniamted, too, a show that came out years ago. And Beast Wars before it. Hell, even Robots in Disguise had this element with the car brothers, secifically the energetic and aloof Sideburn and the stuffed-shirt Prowl.

    Now before you say anything, no, I don't just mean humour. I mean interactions in general. With very few exceptions there's no characters who make for interesting, non-confrontational exchanges, or even confrontational exchanges that aren't about inhuman problems. Because they can't, because they're all so basic. There's no human problems. No I don't mean human physically, I mean there's nothing we can relate to. It's all about concepts and ideals exclusive to the made-up nature of the characters. Every story, even about aliens, needs a human problem to work. Something we can observe and understand. Something that happens to us, so that we can latch on to it and understand the character's pain/laughter/sadness. The best example of this is Cliffjumper's death. A character who appeared for less than five minutes, someone we know nothing about and who interacted with none of his team on-screen, and yet we are expected to feel bad for him and understand the other character's pain. No. That does not work.

    Bottom line: Prime isn't real. It has no heart. It cannot have fun, it cannot be sad. And that's terrible when two outdated cartoons and a comic book are doing way better. BTW, yes one dude who remembers me, I do feel a bit better now.
     
  2. Sinnertwin

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    I agree wholeheartedly.

    I wish James Roberts was writing this show. :( 
     
  3. seekerblackout

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    You be careful. Having a negative opinion is frowned upon in these parts!

    But anyway, I agree! (Obviously)
     
  4. kaijuguy19

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    So the bottm line of this thrrad is that Prime is one of the worst shows since Energon and it has zero to no heart and soul whatsoever?

    Thank you for that little rant. Now all is left to do is to see the major arguments to aros here.

    I disagree with everything you say but it's your opinon after al. I just don't like it when you try to make your rants and thoughts on Prime into a fact.
     
  5. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    Your right we need more social interaction with the charecters.

    So much constant fights and not enough down time to cool the breeze and shoot the shit.
     
  6. Mechafire

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    Oh my God I would fucking die
     
  7. kaijuguy19

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    So that alos means that he people who DON"T think that the show has nay problems with character interactions is a complete and total dolt who knows nothing about a good story in his life?
     
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    I agree with your opinion it is very true.
     
  9. Sinnertwin

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    No, seriously.

    MTME is objectively better than Prime. It is a fact. Have you read MTME? It's a goddamn masterpiece; it's what a great Transformers series is and should be.
     
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    I agree with all your points.

    inb4 people coming in and complaining about complainers.
     
  11. SPLIT LIP

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    Highlight where I said that.

    Priem is empty. It's not bad, it's just... so mediocre.

    Did I ever say I did? Or must I have an inane little "IMO" at the end of everything I say so as to be 100% clear?

    *boner*

    Errr, I mean...

    ...No, *boner* pretty much covers my reaction to that notion.

    Do yourself a favour and listen to this man.
     
  12. kaijuguy19

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    For all of your rants why don't you might as well make a petition to get Prime cancled then? Because that's the vibe I'm getting from this.

    I don't think there's a problem witht he characters at all does that make me an idiot then?
     
  13. Mechafire

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    WHOA THERE CHAMP! Way to take it to the extreme

    wat

    Perhaps you could, y'know, ignore them, then?

    You just love putting words in peoples' mouths, don't you?
     
  14. Sinnertwin

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    You NEED to stop overreacting to every criticism of this show.

    Seriously, STOP IT.

    Split Lip likes the show, he just thinks it can be better, and wants it to be. For now though, it is an unabashedly average show.
     
  15. kaijuguy19

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    I didn't read it yet.
     
  16. Mechafire

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    Because G1-influenced fiction is all automatically bad, right?
     
  17. Sinnertwin

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    It's still a far better written series, with fresh characterizations of old, mostly unused characters, and it introduces new concepts to the Transformers universe.

    Also Prime is basically a G1 remake dude
     
  18. Challenger

    Challenger Loves Bumblebee

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    I agree, I really do wish we could see the Autobots interacting with each other more. It bugs me how in the first episode Arcee refers to Bumblebee as family and then it's never mentioned again or expanded on. What exactly was the point of even having that line if you're not going to do anything with it? What this show really needs is an episode dedicated to fleshing out the Autobots relationships with one another. Let us see that these characters are like a family, or at least friends. Have them joke around with each other more and talk to each other or something.
     
  19. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    Man I need to see the MTMTE series now.

    I have to agree. Honestly I love the show and all but I think charecters should come first if anything.
     
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    I ddin't say that and I was out of line when I said that I'm sorry.

    It's jsut that we have a lot oft hose around lately and I just like how Prime isn't just a G1 remake.
     

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