The Knock off transformers thread

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by blunghole, Oct 5, 2008.

  1. jazz1914

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    By that logic, every 3rd party Megs would also be hybrids. Again, the fandom will call it what they will, but he is an original 3rd party release as far as I can see. The fact that I can even say Megs, is impressive in and of itself. ;) 

    Fpjones... Waiting on that too!
     
  2. That Guy

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    Just checking in, no sign of KO oversized RID2015 Warrior Starscream is there?
     
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    Not so. Prior to Mp36 the other two had almost nothing in common, except certain elements that had to be there, and the representation of the character. This one borrows heavily from these two and its evedent in many of its elements.

    I would not call it a KO myself as I find it to be quite ingenious in its workings and design.
     
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    I have to disagree with this. From observation, it seems pretty abundantly clear that the WJ Megatron has taken direct influence from two other 3P Megatrons. The argument that "every 3rd party megs would be a hybrid" doesn't hold up. Some structural and engineering aspects are distinct enough to identify as direct lifts from pre-existing molds. It seems pointless to try to deny that.

    This is a KO toy forum... there's no shame here. We all unabashedly buy KO toys, stuff that is directly, 100% ripped off. We celebrate companies that take designs from elsewhere and tweak it, enlarge it, or improve the materials. Calling WJ's Megatron a "hybrid design" has no stigma attached to it here. Nobody needs to defend WJ's honour. It's simply a statement of fact.

    I wish. It looks like WJ abandoned their oversized RID2015 line before they got to some of the most interesting molds. :banghead: 

    zmog
     
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    Engineering is partly that from MP-36 and partly from Apollyon, hence, the hybrid...

    Try watching Ben's Review and you'll see the comparisons.
     
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  6. Ellamin

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    The legs are too similar to appolyon to make himtotally original, sure, he isn't a full KO, but he's 4th party IMO.


    Speaking of megatron, what are the better voyager size versions? If there was a KO of titans return that would be great.
     
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    There's not such thing as 4th Party. :)  Just another 3rd Party. WJ's MPP10 is just what it is, an improvement on the designs of MP-10. Yes, it's not necessarily a full KO.
     
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    Unless something is almost entirely an original mold / design, it's probably safe to call it a KO. It is still copying another product's design (not to mention its IP). It's just that some KOs are better and more ambitious than others.

    Not that I mind. :wink: 
     
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    Show z says there is a 4th party.
     
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    Hey..not to change the subject. .

    I've always wanted a real nice transforming veritech. Are there any nice KOs of them?
     
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    I won't be happy until there are 5 parties.
     
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  12. mcart

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    I've still to be invited to any of them :D 
     
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  13. vvvTheONEvvv

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    Think about what that implies...

    There are only 3 venues available to a product; or the approach to a product, if you will.

    Official channel, a knock-off of said product, or a completely original design to the same idea, labeling it as a 3rd party approach.

    4th party, per definition of the prior 3, would simply be another labeling of "knock-off", especially if it used aspects of either of the previous 3 mentioned in it's design.

    We can make up new words and slang-term just about anything these days, but labeling something as 4th party and claiming originality is laughable at best.

    Show z may be just on the same bandwagon from hearing someone else use this term, and said it without knowing it's plausibility or what it really infers.

    Not a knock to you, bro... It's just a knock off is a knock off, even if it's hybridized.
     
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    Just because some guy at a web store decides to start using a dubious neologism, doesn't mean it's really a thing. We're always desperate to categorize things, and especially on the internet, people are always trying to make something catch on.

    "4th Party" isn't something that I think needs to catch on.

    Agreed!

    zmog
     
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    more toy posting. less arguing about what is or isn't a ko.
     
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  16. vvvTheONEvvv

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    Fair enough...

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    But... but... how will we know what to post, if we don't know if it's a KO or not??

    zmog
     
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    post it all. this thread isn't about all that bullshit. it's better than the rest of anal retentive tfw. it's just about having fun and posting cool toys.
     
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  19. vvvTheONEvvv

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    Mines the KO... hit the like button already! :lol 
     
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    Ahhh, my Rookalike has one of each thigh: first I've heard about that happening!

    As for customs, they're both pretty close in their own way (if we swap out tank tracks for wheels) and both would require new chest plates. Impactor just needs a new noggin and beefier forearms/harpoon hand, but the shoulders are already spot on! Tarn needs his trademark cannon, but that facesculpt is almost there already... Decisions, decisions. Maybe just buy another one? ;) 
     
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