OK, so many, many threads have gone off-topic (sometimes due to me, sorry) because of the clashing opinons on where these games place in the Transformers Multiverse. So I thought the best thing to do would be to make a thread dedicated to debating your thoughts and opinions on where WFC and FOC should be put into continuity. OK, so I'll talk about some various support and contradictions between Prime and G1 towards FOC. I personally am of the opinion that WFC/FOC is in the G1 continuity. Here's some common fors and against and explanations: G1 Sunbow Cartoon: For: -Matt Tieger and various other staff members have stated that FOC is designed to lead into G1, although some leniency is given for the sake of keeping it modern, accessible, memorable, interesting and fun. Before Hasbro came up with the idea of an Aligned Continuity, WFC was only ever called a G1 prequel, in every interview and promotion. The debate only began once Hasbro announced the idea of an Aligned Continuity. -Character aesthetics and personalities are lifted directly from G1. -The final chapter of FOC is clearly a retelling of the first part of MTME Part 1. -The designers have gone to extensive means to make various references to G1 continuity and legend, far too many to post at once. -The G1 cartoon itself is lenient with continuity to fit what story they want to tell. HMS is attempting to straighten out the various plot-holes in order to show everyone how life on Cybertron was before G1, without worrying about minor contradictions. -A lot of effort was made to line the game up with facts of G1: For example Soundwave has his minicons and even his Cybertronian lamp-post alt-mode Against and rebuttals: -The Aerialbots and Jetfire are present. The Aerialbots are their for gameplay reasons. The games needed Autobot jets for flying missions and the Aerialbots are the most memoriable Autobot jets. Characters like Broadside would have been out of place. Fire in the Sky is quickly retold in the first chapter of WFC: Jetfire was once a companion to Starscream but did not agree with the Decepticon ways, so joined the Autobots. This allowed them to retcon the episode into occuring on Cybertron so they could keep Jetfire as a playable character as he is the most memorable flying Autobot. -The Stunticons are in it. Same as the Aerialbots. The game called for small Decepticon cars and the Stunticons were the most memorable characters to have them. Is anyone complaining? Breakdown's little paranoid self is one of the best parts of WFC. -The Dinobots are in it. As of now, the Dinobots in FOC are not nessecarily the exact same Dinobots as on Earth. Sludge is in statis-lock, Grimlock may have been killed in the explosion and Swoop, Snarl and Slag were not on the Ark. -Trypticon is the Nemesis. Not nessecarily a contradiction. Trypticon in WFC was a dinosaur that's alt-mode was an orbital cannon. In FOC, Trypticon is in statis-lock and permanently reformatted into the Nemesis. In G1, Trypticon starts appearing in Season 3. All that is said is that he was built, it may either be a different Trypticon, possibly built via inspiration of the old Trypticon or is the same Trypticon. In Season 3, the Nemesis has disappeared, it is possible that it was reformatted back into the citybot we're familiar with. -Megatron rose to power in the gladiator pits. I'm not sure why this is used as evidence. Nowhere in G1 is evidence given that would contradict this. -Orion Pax was a librarian. True, this is probably the most noticable retcon as he was a construction worker in G1. It should be noted however that by WFC, he is Optimus, a battle-hardened leader, he has already been rebuilt from Orion. -Matrix of Leadership was given to Optimus by the core/Primus, not Alpha Trion. Another retcon. Probably to give more backstory into what being a true Prime is. The Council heavily implies that previous Prime's have been corrupt. This is noticeable in Zeta Prime, as he is clearly power-hungry if you pay attention to his mannerisms throughout the Decepticon campaign. -Dark Energon. Again, not a contradiction. G1 never really explained exactly why Cybertron has no Energon and WFC just gave a reason for it. By FOC Dark Energon is irrelevant to the Decepticon and Autobot's actions. -Bruticus is in it. Gameplay/Selling reasons, Bruticus and the Dinobots were heavily advertised. Also, Bruticus like the Dinobots do not make it to Earth, Jetfire and Jazz knock him back to Cybertron. Starscream also arrested them and we don't know how Cybertronian justice works. Personality cores may be copied upon incarceration and the Bruticus may have been killed when knocked off the Ark, making it a different Bruticus with the same personality. The biggest retcons made are: "Fire in the Sky"s major plot-points now took place on Cybertron "War Dawn" has been retconned The origin's in "Five Faces of Darkness" are mostly ignored Prime For: -Hasbro said so. After WFC was well into development, Hasbro came up with the Aligned Continuity and slapped WFC into it, specifically claiming it was a Prequel to Prime, contradicting the developers opinions. -Trypticon is the Nemesis. This is often said but it is not actually true. In Prime, it was never implied that the sentience in "Flying Minds" was because it is actually Trypticon who was woken up. Megatron was surprised at the idea of the computer having AI and the episode just treated it as a computer trying to fufill the mission it had been given prior to getting sentience. -Cliffjumper has a Prime-inspired face. His personality, however, is not similar at all. Against: -Dark Energon. Dark Energon in WFC/FOC is completely different to Dark Energon in Prime. In WFC/FOC, it is a manufactured by the Seekers in their space station and was once used by the Ancients. It is an artifical substance that corrupts and destroys. Megatron and the rest of the Decepticons have various experience with it and every Transformer is aware of its existance. It was important towards the end of the war and the reason Cybertron had to reboot and lose its Energon. In Prime, it is a substance thought to be a legend that is Unicron's blood. It is found, not manufactured and brings the dead to life as zombies. Everyone but Megatron was surprised to discover that it wasn't mere legend. -Megatron and Optimus' origins. In Prime, Orion and Megatronus were allies right up until the point where Orion Pax was named Prime "then dubbed Optimus Prime" and Megatronus deserted him and started the war. This is completely contradictory to the story WFC/FOC tells, in which the war is in its final moments when Optimus becomes Prime. Megatron was well and truly the leader of the opposition in a brutal war and if they ever were allies, it was a long time before the war started. -Soundwave has his minicons and can talk. Breakdown is a paranoid little car, not a huge hulking truck with a strong personality. -A huge amount of characters are missing. Of the Decepticon lineup, most are new characters (Knockout, Prime Breakdown, Airachnid, etc.), while for the Autobots, Arcee (who does not resemble her WFC self) and Bulkhead are new characters. -There are very little similarities in aesthetics or personalities. The games themselves also have no references to Prime except for the similarly looking Nemesis ships. I'm sure there are a lot more fors and against for each side but that all I can think of, but I also should mention this: Exodus and WFC/FOC are not the same story It is repeatedly (infuriatingly) stated that Exodus is the same story as WFC. It is not. When Alex Irvine is not too busy attempting to write as many plot-holes as humanly possible within one novel, he is writing his own story. A confusing mess, it has G1 elements, Prime elements and Movie elements. It works better as a prequel to Prime then WFC/FOC, but it is so badly written that it is impossible to really argue that it is the prequel to anything. Another argument is that WFC/FOC is not a prequel to Prime and that the Aligned Continuity to similar to the G1 (That holds the cartoon, Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW, etc). This would make sense if it was true, however Hasbro has never said that is what the Aligned Continuity is and it seems to work against their idea of eliminating a Multiverse. OK! Everyone, post your own opinions, rebuttals fors and against(s?) and lets have fun debating!