The Future of Transformers comics?

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  1. Hans

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    *hands over flamethrower* ;) 

    I'm really curious to see how the visionaries crossover will sell by the way. The ROM crossover was well received but the sales were not great. I think it looks good, but on the other hand I kinda hope the cheap shot of showing a bot like Ironhide getting gutted on the cover doesn't pay off...
     
  2. Omegashark18

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    It’s only a miniseries and it sets the stage for Unicron(apparently) like Revolutionaries did for First Strike. I think how it sells will decide what they do with Visionaries.
     
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    I don't see why they have to reboot the entire universe entirely. They want to remove Transformers from the general hasbroverse as a whole, why not send them off like Lost Light? It wouldn't be hard, they've planted the seeds to start with thanks to the colony worlds. And, they could keep the 2 ongoing as a thing. First one would focus on those going out searching for the colonies, the second stay with Cybertron. It could also lead to a new war starting with the Autobots and Decepticons having to team up against their G2 counterparts, or even the United Galactic Federation or Black Block Consortia.

    If done right, it could even lead to more of Megatron's atonement. Have him judged by the Knights, found guilty, but instead of death like everyone expects, he has to do a full atonement, search the universe and save those missing Cybertronians everyone lost contact with and protect life as a whole. Maybe send a knight as a parole officer to make sure he carries out his duty and be the "new reader" analogue for the comic.

    But, yeah, Unicron could set the stage for more exploration (If something like THAT exists as a threat, what else could be out there? We have to find out!) without having to reboot the entire franchise from the start. If they hadn't already been hi and bye used before, the Nebulans could have been used as a form of the Ferengi (before they became the lovable losers) in that they would take advantage of situations, take technology, and become a threat before you know it. There's plenty of potential still out there, I just hope they keep going and don't fall back to type.
     
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    Maybe the upcoming Unicron event will be IDW's version of Crisis on Infinite Earths/New 52/Secret Wars.

    A straight up reset that sets everything back to square 1.

    All that hard work and continuity... for nothing.
     
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    Solicits make it clear that Ironhide is still alive as of issue 4.
    If I had to guess, Virulina attacking Ironhide will kick off the conflict, but he'll be fine after a patch-job.
     
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    Maybe stopping the crossovers will stop some of this attrition? Have Unicron just eat the other titles that keep bleeding into the TF books. Eat MASK. Eat ROM. Eat Visionaries. Eat whatever other crap was interrupting the main storylines. Then stop Unicron. The only crossover title that even remotely made sense was GIJoe.

    It's the same damn mistake over and over again. Take emphasis off the bots, and you lose the audience. IDW has given machines more personality than anyone thought possible. Just keep going with that.
     
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    Or have the crossovers be things that make sense. GI Joe and MASK, makes sense. MASK and Transformers only in the case of they get the technology from Cybertronians and after that alone, fine, that works. Rom vs Transformers makes sense. I don't have any idea what Visionaries are, so I can't say anything there. Maybe if they had GI Joe and Transformers teamup to take out rogue Cobra agents stealing Cybertronian technology and move on it wouldn't have been as bad. ("We need your help against these humans, we don't want to squish them, but they're doing things they shouldn't" or "Hey big guy, when some of your guys left they left these things and a bunch of our badguys have them, care to help us take them out and we'll leave you alone after that" type things).
     
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    I found an article about the state of digital publishing: http://www.publishingtrends.com/2017/02/digital-sales-comics-graphic-novels/

    It's from February 2017, and they got this quote from Ted Adams (CEO of IDW Media): “At IDW, the huge growth we saw in digital sales in the early days of eBooks flattened from 2015 to 2016. It’s still a significant revenue stream — measured at around 11.5% of physical sales — and I expect we’ll see growth in the near future as more players enter the storefront marketplace and new technologies develop.”

    So, I know everybody harps on how well MTMTE/LL sells digitally, but it would have to be quite an outlier for that to make up for unprofitably in the direct market.

    Doomed!
     
  9. Bass X0

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    I'd like for some of the cast of Till All Are One to become part of the Lost Light crew.
     
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    Okay. Starscream should be paroled and made co-captain.
     
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    and then get lost in the same alternate Universe as Megs...so they can compare their redemption arcs?
     
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  12. hardlurk

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    Megatron's is bigger.
     
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    THIS. All these crossovers have lost me and several people I know. We're not interested in a bunch of humans or humanoids as a main focus, if we were, we wouldn't be reading Transformers comics. Almost every single other comic out there has humans/humanoids. Also, storylines of humans vs. TFs have been done already a bunch of times, I want something else. GI Joe is the only crossover that ever made much sense to me, mainly due to long standing tradition. I'm just not interested in the other properties. Go with what makes TFs unique... the TFs.

    The crossovers made things confusing and kept interrupting the storylines just as they were getting good, forcing the authors to shelf the compelling story aside for a crossover thing I rarely ever bought or cared about. I was reading Optimus but the crossovers made me lose interest quickly and I never did go back to reading it. I feel way behind now and lost when I do try to catch up after the crossovers. It's just boring and confusing to me. Meanwhile, the comic I really did like, TAAO, which focused on the TFs and Cybertron and all the politics going on gets cancelled and that was my favorite of all their lines. LL being rebooted also sort of dampened my interest. I am still subscribed to it and following it but I still feel... I'm not sure, interrupted? I was really into MTMTE but the reboot with new characters just took me awhile to find my footing again. Basically, if it ain't broke don't fix it. When IDW does anyway, that interruption (or confusion brought by all these crossovers with other properties I have no interest in) can just turn people like me away.
     
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    We would still have gotten the same story even if it hadn't been renamed and renumbered.
     
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    My opinion of idw's comics from the last year are well documented on these (and several other) boards. But let's be objective for a moment.

    The 2012 to 2016 run of comics.were doing fantastically. Sales numbers in the ten thousands, which is almost unheard of for a publisher outside of the Big 2. Barber's continuity porn was keeping the okd fans happy. Roberts deeper long form storytelling was pulling in new readers. Especially amoung the LGBT crowd. And awards were being win. Which is astounding for a a franchise often defined by "the truck punched the jet"

    Now the books would lose a little bit of audience favor during the massive events like dark cybertron and Combiner wars. But things bounced back pretty quickly.
    And for a while there we were even supporting three monthly titles .

    And then Revolution happened.
    The long running stories the fans were enjoying were stomped flat. Half a dozen new books were added. And in a foolhardy attempt to ride the Transformers coat tails, they just dragged the franchise down with them. Hundreds of new and old readers who "don't give a shit about Gijoe, Rom, or Micronauts" left.

    Great job there Icarus. You flew too close to the sun and melted your goddamn wings. Have fun drowning in the Aegean sea.
     
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    I have never read any of the crossovers, save for Rom vs Transformers which was fantastic. But I don't care for gi Joe and the others. The only franchise I was interested in was MASK and I hated idw's take on it.
     
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    SG Roadbuster, that's how I feel about it, too. I refused to buy the crossovers. Not only do I not care about other Hasbro properties (and thus have no interest in reading them), but crossovers have a habit of offering very shallow and unfulfilling storylines. That only get in the way of the regular flow of a comic. So I guess more readers left because they felt the same.

    That is a great find! We can now finally put a number on the amount of digital sales! 11,5% of physical sales. I wouldn't be surprised if the number was slightly higher on James Roberts' series (since he was voted best writer on comixoligy and such), but at least we now know that it's not half of the amount of floppies sold as was sometimes presumed.

    Seen in that light, does that make the situation even more dire?
     
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    I can understand the low sales - the comics industry in general is doing poorly, and Marvel just canned a load of their titles (many of which were their flagship “diversity” titles like Iceman and America) but Transformers is a niche within a niche.

    Regardless of the ups and downs, I’ve very much enjoyed MTMTE/Lost Light, but Optimus Prime kept losing me on its crossover events, which makes it odd that I enjoyed Rom vs Transformers so much (possibly the Milne effect).

    They could reboot things, but they’ve killed off so many characters now that I’m not sure how they take it forward after Unicron, a plot device that will further trim the available players.

    Since MTMTE has created parallel universes, perhaps they’ll move sideways into one of those.
     
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    In the past any toon tie in was its own book. (Animated etc) I don't see a "Transformers Adventures" replacing the core IDW books anytime soon.
     
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    I like and have enjoyed pretty much everything IDW has done (and bought a lot of it) - there is nothing I loathe, just things I enjoyed.... less or didn't really hold my interest.

    If there is one thing I can say I don't like it's their DC/ Marvelization of doing bigger and badder and MORE MEANINGLESS POORLY WRITTEN crossovers every year, big EVENTS that (supposedly) spike sales, nearly always have immediate drop offs and basically serve to sabotage any ongoing monthly book by fucking with the ongoing story.

    If they keep going with that trend, eventually any ongoing story is swallowed up by yearly "events" that all of sudden stretch from 3-6 months, then 12 months, then its relaunch...relaunch...relaunch and more self-sabotage.

    I like a connected universe, which can be done in the core books. It doesn't need shitty gimmicks all the time. And those shitty gimmicks could be core mini-series of 6-12 issues instead of constant "tie-ins" where you have have to buy 50* books over 2 months to know what the hell is going on (nothing meaningful).

    But the marketing/numbers folks will scream "crossovers / gimmicks / events SELL" Yeah they also destroy any long term readership who get burned out in 1-2 years of reading, instead of the old 5-10 years of reading, and natural migration as folks bought cars, or got married or whatever.

    *figurative, not literal number.

    Marvel has been doing this method since the 70's, and IDW seem hell bent on aping marvel and DC (including their mistakes) so I don't see it changing. But I sure as fuck don't like it.

    IDW TF was at its strongest with its focus on MTMTE and RID imo, those two core books ARE IDW TF to me, even though they have now been discarded and "rebranded" which is another BS marketing tactic to me.

    Hey that Batman guy is not selling what he used to... lets rebrand him as "Catman" and change the logo. That always works. Sales will go up for sure.
     
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