The Concept of Death in TFA(spoilers within)

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  1. transmetal2dinobot

    transmetal2dinobot Sub-Commander

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    Death really is a difficult subject to touch on in this sort of media, so I figured starting a thread to discuss the idea of death within TFA would be an interesting excercise. One has to question
    What does a transformers actual death(not just stasis or standby) entail?
    Can characters be brougth back from the dead?(Optimus and Starscream already kind of have been, but how far can it go?)
    How would the show go about explaining death, considering a large demographic of the shows followers would be very young?
    Are characters like Blurr actually definitively dead?

    add more questions, discuss
     
  2. SoundFire Prime

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    What does a transformers actual death entail? Well, in the case of Autobot Jazz in the live action movie, being torn to pieces.
     
  3. Vexza

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    I think with a kids show, only bad guys stay dead. Although, seeing as this is partially for older kids too, good characters such as
    Blurr and Prowl
    will stay dead, even though we may desperately hope they don't.
     
  4. Julliant

    Julliant This space for rent.

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    Well, Blurr didn't desaturate, so fan-fic writers, off you go!
     
  5. Vexza

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    This.
     
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    I think he'll be back...
     
  7. Vexza

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    I hope he'll be back.

    Damn, I think him getting killed is more upsetting to me than the idea that
    Prowl
    is getting killed as well.
     
  8. GogDog

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    The thing is, in a war like this, even a cartoony one, if there are no stakes, there is no sense of danger. And then there is no point. There has to be a sense of danger and loss, and for that, even though it does evoke emotion, someone has to die to prove that the Decepticons are indeed evil. If not, their entire characterization over the course of the show is a lie.

    So while it sucks that someone died, A) It gives us more reason to root for the good guys, and B) it means the writers did their jobs correctly because we felt something when it happened.
     
  9. Vexza

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    Ah... so true.
     
  10. Sol Fury

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    Kids are more complex than you think. If a character dies and they treat it like that they'd probably get it.

    After all, it's been done in the past. Prowl, Ironhide, Dinobot, Tankor / Rhinox, Noble Savage, Smokescreen, Starscream, and the particularly chilling scenes with Hot Shot, Red Alert and Scattorshot in Cybertron (although they were merely on the brink and not dead). All were treated as casualties of the fighting, and most were not dwelt on beyond the characters and audience being sad. Some were pretty gruesome, like Smokescreen melting after having a hole blown through him, Prowl having flame gush from his mouth, or Hot Shot's comment about not being able to see.

    I think however TFA handles the subject, it will handle it at least as well as the better examples from the past.
     
  11. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    You forgot vector prime, another great sacrifice for the autobot cause.
     
  12. Feralstorm

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    (spoilers! ...?)

    Cliffjumper will hear a muffled voice coming from his new desk paperweight, and suddenly an arrest warrant is put out for Longarm Prime.

    Later, Blurr gets his own wheelchair with a light bulb on the front and gets to do his Captain Christopher Pike impression. :ev: 
     
  13. Lord Of Tetris

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    I think the concept of death in TFA isn't all that different from the concept of death in any other cartoony medium for kids and teenagers.

    Characters are exactly as dead as they need to be, until they don't need to be dead anymore.

    Jean Grey and Morph from X-Men.

    Gwen Stacey and the Osborn father/son from Spider-Man.

    Deathstroke and Terra from Teen Titans.

    Optimus Prime in G1 Transformers.

    Hell, even Bucky (Captain America) seems to have come back to life.

    I honestly don't know if Blurr will be back. If he comes back, however, it would certainly be no surprise. Much like Two-Face and Ra's Al Ghul in the current Batman movie series, they are 100% dead...until they're needed not to be dead anymore.
     
  14. GogDog

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    Yeah, and that's one of the main reason's I stopped reading marvel comics as a kid. It was totally unbelievable, and there were no stakes at all, since everyone would eventually come back. In fact, having people die is one of their best ways to sell comics. They just say, "Ok, we'll kill X and it will increase sales. We'll Just bring him back in 9 months."
     
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    Blurr chould get a new color patten (in gold and little yellow.)
     
  16. Vexza

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    Ooo, liking this idea. But he should keep a bit of his original blue color too.

    Hasbro would like this. New toy!
     
  17. megatronkicksas

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    I mean if there is death in Star Wars then I think kids can more then handle or cope with death in TFA.
     
  18. AlphaOmegaBlurr

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    Lightning Blurr FTW.
     
  19. Vexza

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    yes. Win.
     
  20. night-skyward

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    I htink they did it well. The death in transwarped was incredibly shocking with who and how it happened. But the writers lightened it by showing us the cube version and cliffjumper throwing it in the trash.

    To me it had the seriousness and shock to grip older fans and still seem freindly to the little ones.
     

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