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  1. ItsStarscream

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    Bonus! Rob's Transformers 2 F.A.Q.s!
    Posted at 12:00 PM Jun 26, 2009
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    It dawned on me at about 4am last night when I was finishing my review that 2500 words might not be enough to fully describe the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen experience. Additionally, I really didn't get much into the plot, as I was so busy explaining why it was a fundamentally shitty movie. So I took a little time to interview myself about the movie's story in order to help you understand what RotF is all about. Hope it helps!

    Are there honestly 46 new Transformers in the movie?
    I have no fucking clue. It's impossible to tell most of them apart except for Optimus and the Racist Twins (there's another yellow Autobot who I constantly thought was Bumblebee). There could be 46, or there could be 12. I honestly would believe 12 if someone had said that.

    What is the status of the Transformers at the beginning of the film?
    The Autobots have joined the military to hunt down the Decepticons. We're told the Decepticons are "doing things," but they appear to be hiding peacefully when the Autobots show up and brutally murder them.

    What?
    Yeah. The Decepticons aren't apparently doing anything, then the Autobots show up, the Decepticons run for their goddamn lives, and the Autobots hunt them down and brutally murder them. It's kind of weird.


    Why is the U.S. military helping them?
    Supposedly to help keep the Transformers a secret from the public. Although since the climax of the last film was a massive firefight involving 50-foot robots and took place over five miles of downtown Los Angeles and the beginning of this film wrecks several miles of Shanghai, China, they seem to be incredibly shitty at their job.

    How does the U.S. military help them?
    Well, not at all, actually. They just kind of come along with guns and stuff, and act like they're going to help, but the Autobots do all the work.

    Why is the U.S. military in this movie at all, then?
    Because Michael Bay has a huge erection for jets and tanks and aircraft carriers and considers giant robots only a necessary evil for the film. At least 15 full minutes of the film's 150-minute run time is nothing but footage of jets and tanks and planes without any robots or actual action whatsoever.

    How is Sam Witwicky dragged back into the fight?
    Well, he finds a fragment of the Allspark shard. You know, the Allspark that he spent all last movie being told he shouldn't give to Megatron, but when he gave it to Megatron, it killed Megatron. That one. Anyways, the shard makes the Beef see symbols and act like more of an spaz than usual.

    So the Decepticons want the shard? Why?
    Uh... to bring Megatron back to life?

    What?
    That's what they said.

    But the Allspark killed Megatron in the first movie.
    Yes.

    ...and now it can also bring him back to life.
    It's very powerful, this Allspark.

    Uh-huh. So what's their plan to get it?
    They send a small R/C car who talks like Joe Pesci in Casino to get it.

    Shouldn't they have sent Starscream or somebody?
    Look, there's another Allspark shard and get that one anyways, so it doesn't matter.

    Well, then why do they give a shit about Sam?
    The symbols. In his head. That the shard of the Allspark gave him.

    They weren't in the other shard?
    Apparently not.

    So how do the Decepticons plan to get the symbols, I guess?
    Well, the Decepticons have very cunningly created a hot chick robot who they enrolled in the same college and put in the same astronomy class as Sam. And they made her a huge slut.

    Wait.
    Waiting.

    There's a slutty Decepticon?
    Yeah, she's a real ho. The Decepticons apparently have an incredibly powerful slut-making program, because she has it down, man. Anyways--

    Didn't Sam touch the shard and get the symbols stuck in his head on his first day of college?
    Yes.

    So the Decepticons made a slutty robot to attend his college and enrolled her in classes and put her in on-campus housing just in case Sam ended up being important at some point in the future?
    Apparently. It was an elaborate plan, but it sure paid off.

    How so?
    Well, not at all. The slut-bot made out with him for a little bit then immediately tried to kill him, neither for any apparent motive or gain.

    It sounds preposterous.
    Doesn't matter, because the Decepticons use the shard piece they do have to resurrect Megatron! He's back! Ooo! Scary!

    Why is this scary? All he wanted was the Allspark, and now it's gone.
    ...because he has a boss! He's called the Fallen, because he's so evil! He has an evil plan to use a machine on Earth to blow up the sun and make energon! Or something! It's not very clear.

    Now you're just making shit up as you go along, aren't you?
    Best not to think too much about it. Anyways, the symbols in the Beef's head are a map to where this machine exists, so the hunt is on and Sam shortly is captured by other, less slutty Decepticons in one of the many instances where Bumblebee inexplicably abandons the Beef so he can conveniently be in trouble. Then a robot called the Doctor who speaks gibberish with a German accent shoves things up Shia's nose and gets the symbols.

    That's that, then, right? The Decepticons win?
    No! Because Optimus Prime saves Sam before they cut off his head, which has another treasure inside!

    Really? What is that?
    No one really bothers to explain this, actually. Suffice to say, the Decepticons continue to want Sam. Oh, then Optimus Prime fights three Decepticons at once and dies.

    Where the hell were the other Autobots during this fight?
    I don't know. They were with him before the fight, but then they disappear and show up right after he dies. But they appear sad about Optimus dying. Marginally. I mean, they don't get any screen time or dialogue to convey any feelings or anything, but there's some sad music playing for a little bit afterwards. I assume this means the robots that are off-screen are grieving.

    Well, if one shard brought Megatron back to life, can't Sam just use his shard piece to resurrect Optimus?
    Yes. He could.

    ...
    ...

    Well?
    He doesn't.

    Why not?
    I'm not sure exactly.

    Then what the hell does he do?
    He decides get those symbols that were in his head translated to figure out what the Fallen's up to.

    Which Autobot does the translating?
    Err... none of them. Actually, it's John Turturro.

    What. The fuck.
    Yeah, since he was laid off from his super-secret government agent job, he now works in a NY deli and runs a super-popular Transformers conspiracy theory website. Like ya do.

    And why couldn't an Autobot translate these symbols?
    Because Bumblebee is mute and the Racist Twins are poor black robots from the slums of Cybertron who never learned how to read. It's a sad commentary on Cybertronian society. Like The Wire, actually.

    Where the hell are the other Autobots?
    I don't know. Away. They seem to be unable to be reached. They're probably grieving about Optimnus still. Clearly, John Turturro is the reasonable solution here.

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  2. ItsStarscream

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    Bonus! Rob's Transformers 2 F.A.Q.s!
    Posted at 12:00 PM Jun 26, 2009

    So Turturro translates the symbols.
    No, that would be silly. He does, in an incredibly bizarre series of connect-the-dots, lead them to Jetfire, an elderly and deceased Transformers whose corpse is hanging out in the Air & Space Museum.

    What good is he dead?!
    Ah! Remember the shard? Sam uses it to bring Jetfire back to life!

    Not Optimus?
    No! This way, Sam can get the symbols translated... so he can, er... find the ancient machine... that can, uh... possibly bring Optimus back to life.

    You have to fucking be kidding me.
    Moving on! Jetfire teleports everyone to Egypt, including some of the missing Autobots --

    Wait, what? Teleports?
    Yes, teleports.

    Transformers don't teleport.
    Jetfire does.

    But -- wait a second, he's a fucking jet. He could fly everybody to Egypt, right? And that would make perfect sense for both the character and the franchise!
    Well, I guess so. But he chooses not to. The point is Jetfire teleports them all to Egypt where he explains that there used to be 7 or 8 Primes, and they traveled around the galaxy blowing up suns for energon. But they never did it on planets with life.
    Well, they had set the machine up on Earth and not noticed all the life running around, and one of the Primes just said fuck it, let's do it anyways. This was evil, so they called that Prime the Fallen and beat the shit out of him although he escaped.

    Okay...
    So that other mysterious reason that the Decepticons wanted Sam's brain? It's because it contains some very vague clues about the Matrix of Leacdership, which is the device that turns on the sun-exploding machine. The Fallen needs the Matrix to blow up the sun and get his Energon.

    Hold on. That's what the Matrix of Leadership does in the movie?
    Yes. Works the sun-exploding machine.

    I'm fuzzy on how "Leadership" covers that.
    I didn't name it. But it does sound a little nicer than "Matrix of Blowing Up the Goddamn Sun."
    If I may continue, in order to protect the Earth, the 6-7 other Prime hid the Matrix on Earth and made a tomb with their own bodies. Isn't that cool?

    ...
    ...

    No. No it is not. If they wanted to protect Earth, why did they leave the Matrix on the planet? They're a space-faring race, they could have hid it anywhere in galaxy! Second of all, what the fuck does making a tomb of their own bodies do? Shouldn't they have stayed alive to protect the Matrix? Or finish off the Fallen? Or just not die and leave Earth and the entire Transformer race in jeopardy?
    Uh...

    And why hide the Matrix at all? Don't they need Energon to survive? Didn't they say they go to other lifeless planets? These idiot Primes just doomed their whole species for no fucking reason whatsoever! No wonder the Decepticons are so pissed.
    ...ahem. Eventually, Sam and crew find the Matrix, which instantly crumbles into dust. Sam puts the dust in a sock because he thinks it will bring Optimus back to life.

    Grr.
    What follows is the most spectacular part of the movie, as Sam and Mikaela try to run the several miles back to the military camp during a massive Decepticon attack where the military has dropped Optimus Prime's corpse.

    Why is that awesome? They could drive back in one of the Autobots and be there in a minute or two.
    They don't do that.

    What?
    They walk.

    Of course they do. And I assume the Autobots just mysteriously disappear again until a second before a Decepticon is about to kill Sam.
    Yes. Exactly.

    I am already incredibly sick of this movie, and I'm just typing questions about it. Sam resurrects Optimus, Optimus kills the Fallen, end of story, right?
    Pretty close. Sam dies, though.

    Really?
    Yeah, for a little while. But then the Transformers in heaven send him back because he still has work to do.

    Fuck you.
    I'm serious.

    Fuck you. There's no way.
    It's true. The 6-7 Primes are there in the clouds like Mufasa's head in The Lion King, and tell Sam he's awesome and he needs to live again so he can bring Optimus back to life.

    I may be ill.
    Then Jetfire appears out of nowhere and rips out his own heart right in front of Optimus to give him his elderly old robot powers. This makes Optimus into a flying badass who defeats the Megatron and Starscream and the Fallen in a little less than two minutes. After the last 30 minutes of the movie have been nothing but explosions -- not all of which have any obvious causes -- it's a bit disappointing.

    Anything else you want to add?
    Well, only that although Sam jams the Matrix of Leadership into Optimus Prime's chest to resurrect him, a Decepticon takes it out like 10 seconds later and Optimus is fine. Just a little weird, is all.

    Can you give me any reason I would want to see this film in theaters?
    I can't answer every question, man.

    BONUS ROUND!

    So it's not as bad as shitting your pants?
    Marginally. I honestly had to make a pro and con list to figure it out.

    Why on earth would anyone make a film about giant robots but have myriad scenes of some random douchebag's first day of college?
    I don't have the faintest clue.

    Could there have been more trite, less inspired song for Bumblebee to play when Sam says he's going to college than The Pointer Sisters' "I'm So Excited"?
    No. No there couldn't.

    Why can't Bumblebee talk, but the other Autobots can?
    Because Bumblebee is retarded, but in a Sling Blade kind of a way. This explains how he kills the living fuck out of a Decepticon later.

    Why does Sam's mom buy and consume a pot brownie?
    Well, Sam's mom was in a coma for the last 30+ years, which explains how she had never heard of marijuana, and why she didn't understand the consequences of eating it even after her husband specifically told her it was a pot brownie (Sam was unfortunately conceived and born during this period). A better question is why any college student in America would be selling pot brownies at an on-campus bake sale, let alone to a middle-aged woman.

    A lot was made of how Shia the Beef's hand injury was written into the film. How was this done?
    Well, sometimes Shia had a huge bandage on his hand, and sometimes he didn't.

    That doesn't sound "written in" at all.
    Well, no actual words are used to explain it. It might be more accurate to say it "shows up sometimes."

    Why would a robot need to fart, pee, or vomit? And why would it need testicles?
    Michael Bay does not understand what a robot is.

    What is the point of the character of Sam's college roommate, and why the fuck does he stay for the entirety of the movie?
    I have no clue. He's not comedy relief, because that's covered by 90% of the Transformers themselves. He technically leads the Beef to John Turturro, but surely there could have been another way to do that. Besides, Turturro just leads them to Jetfire anyways. It's all extraneous.

    Why can only a Prime kill the Fallen? Why can Jetfire teleport? Why can the Fallen wave a staff and make shit fly around? Why do actual cars and Autobots get sucked into Devastator's maw, but John Turturro and that other kid can run around?
    Because... because FUCK YOU, that's why.

    Can you explain Megan Fox's appeal?
    Yes. She looks like a porn star and has the same acting talent as one, yet for some reason she makes mainstream movies. This tonal disconnect is what's so appealing about her.

    If you had to pick a single scene that exemplifies Michael Bay's utter disdain for story and continuity, what would it be?
    When five Decepticons sink to the bottom of the ocean to retrieve Megatron's corpse. A submarine tracks five "subjects" going down, and when they get there, one of the Decepticons is killed to give parts to Megatron. 5 -1 +1 = 5, right? No, because the sub somehow tracks "six" subjects coming up. Not only is this very basic math, this is the simplest of script errors. It could not possibly have been more than one page apart in the script. And yet Michael Bay either didn't care to notice or didn't give a fuck. "Math? Math is for pussies. My movies are about shit blowing up, man."

    Could you sum up the film in one line of its dialogue?
    "I am standing directly beneath the enemy's scrotum."

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    WOW and this is what all of /you/ are so violently defending against the critics? THIS is what there is a contest up right now encouraging the rage from those that actually /liked/ THIS??? And /you/ have the audacity to flame those that DON'T like...THIS??? O M G ..... ROFLMAO

    Hey sure, it might break even but I don't see how this movie is going to last in the theaters after this weekend...once word gets out....crash an buurrrrnnn All you brownshirts suck it up and start camping out at the theater to pay for every showing of it....

    And hey, if /we/ have to put up wtih 'GeeWunner' and other assorted 'terms' I think its time to turn the tables there brownshirt boys....
     
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    He didn't really pay attention to the movie did he? But yeah considering toplessrobot, he's the only one that we CAN says as a fact: was watching this movie TO HATE IT since the start.
     
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    I dont know man...I do know this mans review was glorious. Ive read some amazing cold hard zingers of truth from people regarding this flick. I don't know whether to laugh or be scared that some are actually defending THIS so fiercely against the ones that know better (IMO). For now I will laugh about it...
     
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    God that was funny. I loved the "Matrix of blowing up the Goddamned Sun". Maybe they should rename the Dark Matrix to that?
     
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    Funny stuff
     
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    Now that was a funny review.
     
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    Movie is great, this review is fun to read
     
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    I just got back from seeing it for the first time. And while its no Manos the Hand of Fate it wasn't exactly what I consider good either. People actualy GROANED in the mostly crowded theater when the Fallen started refering to Megatron as "my apprentice". The couple on one side of me got up and left when Sam tells Megan Fox "we still got another mile to go" while running to meet Optimus. The film is crammed full of pointless subplots taken from other movies. Alice reminded me of Sil from Species. This goes no where, just wasteing time on screen. Did the bot in Sams brain ever come out? F*ck if I know, he yells something about it later but the whole issue gets dropped by the end of the film. Its hard as f*ck to tell what is happening in the action scenes where the robots are fighting. Id give it a 3/10 mostly because it was photographed well. Enjoyed it about as much as Mummy 3 :p 
     
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    Loved the movie, and still found this review funny.

    Some of his complaints I don't agree with, or some are just plain wrong, but still, was a good read.

    Also, as for that whole thing with 5 'cons going down, 1 being sacrificed, then Megatron being brought back so that should make it 5 going up rather than the 6 it shows...Well, Ravage DID eject Scalpel during that time, so maybe he counted at that point?
     
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    He had quite a funny way of putting things, but this guy doesn't really think through a lot of the things he questions:

    The Decepticons were hiding for the moment. You don't want them to get too organized. Just like terrorists.

    Sam shoved THE WHOLE ALLSPARK into Megatron's chest in the first movie. It was clearly a case of power overload. All they're using is a small sliver of energy to bring him back to life-- and let's not forget the repair job they did in the meantime.

    I chalk this up to Sam being the whole "chosen one" thing talked about later. The Allspark chose to give up certain secrets to him, not to other TFs.

    Her tail-thing was reaching for Sam's head. She was going to rip out/scan his brain.

    Bumblebee was only there in the first place because he needed to get Sam to talk to Optimus. He didn't "abandon" Sam.

    They explained this in the movie. The Decepticons not only wanted that info, they were using Sam as bait to lure Prime out into the open so they could kill him, which in turn would mean that the Fallen could come to Earth without fear of getting killed.

    Optimus got a huge hole stabbed through his chest-- Jetfire had just gone to sleep due to lack of energon and was undamaged. Also, Optimus, being a Prime, possesses the Matrix energy, which could not be replenished by the Allspark. Hence the need for the Matrix of Leadership to revive him.

    This was also directly explained. The symbols are too old for the Autobots to be able to decipher.

    Because he's a seeker. He has special abilities.

    This is the only really valid point I think he makes, and the only plot point where the movie really didn't deliver-- the Fallen and that whole backstory needed more exposition.

    This part he was just totally confused about, since they clearly didn't just walk several miles. They had a looong way to go, and they drove in Bumblebee and the Twins most of the way. The Twins got occupied by Devastator after driving Simmons & Leo, and Bumblebee drove off with Sam's parents. The rest of the Autobots were with the military.

    He's not fine. He was on his knees, weak and probably almost dying again. Jolt gave him the needed boosts to get up and utilize Jetfire's powers.

    I can't remember a scene while they're still in the desert where Sam does NOT have the sock on his hand after he got space bridge burn.

    A. Matrix Energy, B. Already explained, C. The Fallen is a very mystical being, if you've read his backstory, D. John and Leo are holding onto stable stuff. Mudflap is not.

    I'm pretty sure they didn't kill that Decepticon, they just took off some parts from his arms to help rebuild Megatron.
     
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    That review validates my existence as a fan.
     
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    The 6 Subjects coming up were;

    #1 Megatron
    #2 Rampage
    #3 Long Haul
    #4 Mix Master
    #5 Ravage
    #6 The doctor
     
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    They actually explained this IN the movie

    There was no info in either the shard or the sliver. Sam had the info after he destroyed the allspark in movie 1. The Allspark sliver simply awoke the information in Same brain.
     
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    You don't go to a terrorist's house and shoot him when he's sleeping.
    Well... What the hell was that "Chosen One" crap all about? Like, why did he have to 'earn' anything, if he was predestined to receive it anyway?
    Why did she then proceed to try and asploade him?
    What the hell is Matrix energy? And why was Jetfire a Blackbird? He couldn't have been very old. Hell, they should have just used Baron Ransack Von Joy for that role.
    ...He answered that question.
    What?
    Correction, it didn't need to exist.

    If that movie had any more exposition, my brain would melt.
    They sent Bumblebee away for a while as a 'diversion'. And then the Twins were apparently doing the same thing. Then Starscream buggered off anyway. And then they found Sam's parents, just in time for BB to save the day.
    I spent the entire movie watching for when Sam was going to eff up his hand. They chose the worst possible moment.
    What is Matrix energy?

    Why does being a Seeker give you pointless powers?

    Magic is not an explanation.

    And, John and Leo are humans. the should've been pulled in before they got the chance to grab anything.
     
  16. girafeswordsman

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    You're right.

    Unless you're AMERICA!
     
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    Sage o' G-fruit Critics gonna critique

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    The Doctor was active after he brought back Megatron, so it showed him coming back up.
     
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    But... he was like, the size of a shoebox? Wouldn't he just be counted as marine life or something?
    I really think the last half hour of that movie could be summed as so...

    AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!!!
     
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    it ain't a question of math but sonar sensitivity then?
     
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    And there lies the reason I enjoyed the military-centered ending. I hated the fact the army was so "UBER-PWNAGE" in the first one, but with this one I said "Ahh, fuck it. GO AMERICA!". It made Devestator's death so much more satisfying than it would've been otherwise.
     

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