The 13 Children of Primus

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  1. Kaijumaster

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    I know we have seen The Fallen & I know we have seen Vector Prime. But while Hasbro has officially stated there were 13, have they officially stated any other. Was the Liege Maximo one? was "The last autobot?" Do we have any images and are the cannon according to Hasbro?
     
  2. IACON

    IACON "That's Vector Sigma?" TFW2005 Supporter

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    Could it be that this is the famous lost legion ??? The 13th Legion ???
    (G1 season 2 "cosmic rust")
     
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    Maximo was said to have been created when the first Prime was created. The first robot made by Primus was Prima, right? In the comics, he was the first to gain the Matrix, I believe. If that is so, then Maximo could have been the second, I guess. However, I think there was a Prime before Prima called Primon, who had his very history erased.
     
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    According to the Teletraan-1 wiki, only 3 bots are "officially" in the 13. Prima, Fallen, and Vector. Liege Maximo was proclaimed to be one of the 13 in Simon's "Alignment" story but the "canon is questionable." And I consider the Last Autobot to be one even if he hasnt been officially declared. Also, the gestalt from the Club Exclusive figures is hinted to be one
     
  5. Alpha Prime

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    Mac' from the Energon pub is supposed to be one too.<Supposedly>
     
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    I have managed to convince myself that the Liege Maximo is one of the 13 now.

    I've heard various rumours suggesting Wreck Gar was one of the 13 (from the Dreamwave comics?) as well as Maccadam (the rumour is mentioned in the Ultimate Guide book. A rumour dropped in like that is almost certainly saying he was one of the 13, but it could also be an intentional red herring).

    Ultimately though the Zodiac 13 who fought Shokaract in the Botcon comics were much cooler in my opinion.

    As for the Last Autobot, I don't count him, I consider him to occupy the same slot as Vector Prime, owing to the fact that VP's early concepts had his head looking a lot like the Last Autobot.
     
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    We already had that last week. By my watch it should be time for "What Titaniums do you Want?" next. :p 

    And I also don't count the Last Autobot. He was made by Primus, but I think he was separate from the 13.
     
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    Followed by a Classics thread asking the same thing.:tongue: 

    I don't see any reason why Maccadam couldn't be one of the 13. He is in my book. And what about Alpha Trion? Does being a first generation product of Vector Sigma make him a candidate or not. I can't remember.
     
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    I know he's not a transformer persay, but what about Vector Sigma itself?

    "Before Cybertron was, I was..."
     
  11. Beastbot X

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    The Fallen, Vector Prime, and Liege Maximo are the only three of the 13 known so far in my book. I want to actually know who Maccadam IS beyond a bartender before I consider him "officially" part of the 13.
     
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    But not Prima?

    Prima, Liege Maximo, VP, Mac, and Fallen are the only ones I consider to be.

    Wrek-Gar I wouldn't be upset if he was, but I doubt it.

    I'm sick of hearing Alpha Trion. He's from a different continuity (Quint and no Primus), and even in that continuity he isn't nearly old enough. Old yes, but not 13 old.

    Vector Sigma I think of as a tool rather than a being, same as the Last Autobot/Forgotten Warrior whatever else he was known as. Certainly ancient, even contemporaries, but not part of the 13.

    And I agree, this does seem to be a rather cyclical topic, I know I've said the former statements at least twice here.

    LOL, I wonder if the guy who argued that Megatron was one of the 13 is going to weigh in again. It was a nice arguement, tremendously unlikely, but he had some good points to justify his claim.
     
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    Well, but I mean I want to know his personality, why he was created. I doubt Primus said, "And thus I create you, Vector Prime, to serve as Guardian of Time and Space. And thus I create you, **** (whatever the Fallen's name was before he was the Fallen), to serve as a watchman over the entropy of the universe. And thus I create you, Maccadam, to serve as... uh... a bartender, I guess. I'm kind of tired of creating now, but 13 sounds like a better number to stop at than 12. Y'know, parallels to Christianity and all that."

    EDIT: I honestly don't know the first thing about Prima. G1 Marvel comics, I'm guessing?
     
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    who's the 'last autobot'?
    pics?
     
  16. Th0r4z1n3

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Trion

    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Primus from the Cybertron continuity also?
     
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    He's the first Prime, and the very first Cybertronian that Primus made. His backstory isnt anymore extensive than that, as he was only shown in a few one-panel flashbacks.

    http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Last_Autobot

    I didnt see this argument so I dont know what his points were, but Leige Maximo pretty clearly stated that he made Megatron, which would make Megatron 2nd generation. Now, if he was the first Cybertronian spawned from Maximo, then that may very well make him the first member of the Decepticon faction, but he cant be one of the 13 by that rationale
     
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    I really wish Hasbro would put this one to rest once and for all!
     
  19. trebleshot

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    Eh, it will be nice when an official list is finally put out, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I just find it both funny and ironic that this "mystery" is very similar to the Marvel comics Externals subplots in the 90's.
     
  20. aussiehippy

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    I thought everyone knew, the list of the original 13 is:

    1. Prima
    2. The Fallen
    3. Vector Sigma
    4. Maccadam
    5. Chameleon
    6. Flame
    7. Earthquake
    8. Flattop
    9. Fusion
    10. Fang
    11. Horsepower
    12. Impactor
    13. Nautilius
     

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