TFW2005 Sound-Off! Which past Transformers series deserves more love?

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SOUND OFF! Which series needs more love?

  1. Machine Wars

    5.9%
  2. Beast Machines

    22.4%
  3. Robots in Disguise

    41.8%
  4. Armada, Energon, Cybertron

    12.0%
  5. Alternators

    17.9%
  1. Kickback

    Kickback Proud father Administrator Super Mod News Staff

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    Welcome to the third TFW2005.COM Sound-Off! This is a place for you guys to voice your thoughts and opinions on various topics that we frontpage for the whole Transformers community to read, observe, and who knows, maybe someone somewhere is taking notes!

    The question for this session is pretty simplistic!

    Which past incarnation of the Transformers deserves some more love?

    Now, as you can see by the poll, we've left some incarnations out! And I'll explain why certain series were left off.

    Generation One
    Let's face it - the whole "Generations" line is basically Hasbro throwing the collectors a bone with "classic" stylings of their old, beloved characters. Just this year we're getting Thrust, Darkmount (Straxus), Red Alert, Blurr, Perceptor, not to mention War For Cybertron (in a semi War Within styling) Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Soundwave, Megatron, and Cliffjumper. There's an on-going comic (though some argue in a perverse state) of Generation One, and there's still quasi merchandise being released of Generation One (the entire cartoon on DVD).

    Generation Two
    They just had a BotCon convention based on G2, and a few figures were released in movie styling (and Universe 2.0 styling). If not for this last convention, this would probably be at the top of the list.

    Beast Wars
    This is the hot topic debate. We know you want more Beast Wars. The whole "Airachnid" name fiasco proves that. But compared to the other series on the poll, Beast Wars recently had their 10th Anniversary celebrated, they had "Black Arachnia" in Transformers Animated, Cheetor and Dinobot were released in Universe 2.0, they had two comic series and a MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE profile book type thing released a few years back, and Dinobot was just inducted in to the HALL OF FAME at the last convention. Compared to the other series' on the list, Beast Wars is and has been doing just fine.

    Now let's look at the series that ARE on the list:

    Machine Wars
    The forgotten series, probably because it was a KB Toys exclusive toyline back before Beast Wars. It featured everything from Optimus Prime to Megatron, Starscream, and Soundwave. While we did see a few figures brought back in the failed "Universe" line, the actual series itself seems to have been forgotten. Does it need more love?

    Beast Machines
    The sequel to Beast Wars, Beast Machines hit in the late 90's as a follow-up series that was going to take Transformers from "beasts" in to a more machine like mixture, or "TransTech" as the failed after series was originally titled. The series marked the proverbial "end" to the storyline set up with Generation One (seeing as Beast Wars was a sequel to G1, and BM was a sequel to BW), and Bob Skir is still in hiding over the threats made to him and his family for the ending (
    Cybertron turning techno-organic
    ). But the series featured some really awesome toys (Battle Unicorn anyone?) and, in this fan's recent viewing, had a very dark and mature storyline that really set itself apart from anything before it, and really, anything after it. Does it need more love?

    Robots in Disguise
    Aside from the over-use of some of the figures in "Universe" that resulted in the destruction due to over-use of some of the molds (the Car Brothers, Optimus Prime, and Ultra Magnus), and the overall cost being too much to reproduce some molds (Rail Racer), this line has been pretty much ignored and forgotten (save for Sky-Byte's random appearance in this last year's convention set). Aside from an appearance in Fun Publication's "TIMELINES" and Dreamwave's one-shot comic, ROBOTS IN DISGUISE, the line that really brought Transformers popularity to a high point after Beast Wars, the line has been forgotten almost entirely. People don't realize that it was this toyline (and "CAR ROBOTS" in Japan) that brought the fad of "black Optimus Prime" repaints and realistic vehicles back to the Transformers franchise. What did Hasbro do to commemorate the 10th Anniversary of this series? Not a thing :(  Does it need more love?

    Armada, Energon, and Cybertron
    We lumped these bad boys together because in retrospect they were pretty bad. Aside from some great toys in Cybertron, a pretty decent story in the Armada cartoon, and ... well, Energon gave us some decent combiners, these series really set the way for the creation of the Transformers movies to happen (yes, blame Armada for the movie!). Armada was immensly successful. So much, that Hot Shot still gets love (Animated, Universe 2.0). And the Energon combiners saw a re-release in the Revenge of the Fallen toyline, and Cybertron figures were in Universe 2.0 and the whole three-lines have seen use in the last handful of BotCon convention figures. However, there are parts that have been forgotten - Jetfire being Optimus Prime's pants, Wheeljack being an Autobot traitor, Unicron came back in to mythology, Primus became an official toy and character, and that British DJ made the theme song for Cybertron. But ... does it need more love?

    Alternators
    I didn't want to put this in here, because this line was popular with collectors but never caught on with the casual purchaser (mom and dad for little billy), and so the line was scrapped - plus it has evolved in to "Human Alliance" and "Alternity" and both of those are on-going as of the time of this poll. Anyways, this toyline started and was very popular, and over time the popularity did die down but one would argue that it was because of the plethora of repaints (Hound, Swindle, Rollbar! Sideswipe, Dead End, Sunstreaker! Tracks, Battle Ravage, Swerve! Smokescreen, Silverstreak, Ricochet! Give love to those figures with NO repaints - Rumble, Ravage, and those with only TWO repaints - Optimus Prime/Nemesis Prime, Meister/Shockblast, Grimlock/Wheeljack, Prowl/Camshaft, Windcharger/Decepticharge, and Mirage/Rodimus! Anyways, the Japanese side of things (Binaltech) used diecast metal and wrote a storyline that tied in to Generation One and, in a way, Masterpiece, and then abandoned the whole thing when KISS Players came out (hentaiwhat?), and have re-started it in a sense with Alternity, the Dragonball Z of Transformers. BUT ... after 4 years of toys and such, with new versions of these figures available as Human Alliance and Alternity ... do they still need more love?

    Powercore Combiners
    Only three waves currently known and most are mold re-uses except the Grimstone set and ... nah, I'm just kidding, we know Powercore Combiners is the future of Transformers :) 

    So go ahead and vote! And leave your thoughts and opinions as to why! We'll feature this in about a week or so on the frontpage with some of your opinions. Keep it PG-13 at worst!

    And for note ... yes, I know some of you will be upset there's not a "None of the above" option, or a "Other" option, so maybe this question should be "IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE..." ... but these are your options, vote, or don't vote, it's really up to you. Happy voting!

    EDIT: I didn't forget Titanium ... but ya'll just had Prowl and Grimlock, War Within style, like a year and a half ago. So nyah!
     
  2. payton34

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    I voted Armada/Energon/Cybertron, if only because it gave another great incarnation of Unicron, but there was really more to it than "just" that.




    (However, if there was an "other" option, I'd have voted for Masterforce/Victory/Zone as those weren't as widespread and really need more love)
     
  3. shibamura_prime

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    Even though I love me some G2, my vote ultimately goes to Beast Machines. The show took chances in both art style and writing and deserves more credit than it gets because of it, regardless of what people might think of the choices (I personally enjoy the heck out of it). The toyline might have been hit-or-miss, but the aesthetic always stuck to its guns and gave us some really unique pieces along the way. The deluxe Jetstorm, Night Slash Cheetor, and the late-to-the-party RID-released Air Attack Optimus Primal are still some of my favorite Transformers out there.
     
  4. thedeadmatrix

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    Well, Beast Wars, I havn't seen a Beast Wars fig in stores in a while, and I wasn't able to get my hands on dinobot and cheetor.....Give us another beast wars cartoon, i want optimus primal, megatron , dinobot, i can go down the whole list if need it be, give us mammoth prime two ;D
     
  5. The Crazy Collector

    The Crazy Collector Well, that's just Prime! TFW2005 Supporter

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    My vote went to RiD mostly cause it's the only series so far to NOT have a DVD release (third season of TF: Animated excluded). Yeah, the story was goofy at points ("cute" sweat beads on robots? really?) but RiD brought back vehicle mode TF's and, in a stroke of genious, mixed in a fair number of beast mode TF's too! And the stuff that was new molds was really pretty excellent!
     
  6. Kickback

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    I voted Robots in Disguise.

    As I wrote in the opening post, RID spawned off stuff that still happens today, namely the "black Optimus Prime" repaints that we see every year in some way, shape, or form, always named "Nemesis Prime". But it's the first, and really ONLY time, that a "black repaint" was a central character in the animation and/or storyline. "Nemesis Prime" in Armada was literally a one-shot pony, and he was just a manipulation from Sideways trying to fcuk with the Autobots and Decepticons.

    The designer behind the CAR ROBOTS toys (Mach Alert, Speedbreaker, Wild Rider, Fire Convoy, God Magnus, Gigatron, JRX, Build King) was also the designer for the Alternators series of toys that everyone loves so much. One could argue that while his style is VERY complex, it also brought Transformers back to what it once was in the 80's ... a popular toyline of realistic vehicles turning in to pretty awesome robots. I remember spending ALL my money in college on those freakin' toys instead of books and alcohol like most good college students.

    The molds were heavily re-used (except the Bullet Trains) and most of them are now lost forever and ever unless TakaraTomy wants to re-furbish them, but I know more people that got back in to Transformers because of RID (and then left because of Armada).

    So ... bring me back some RID goodness, damn it!
     
  7. Shin-Gouki

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    RID Hands down. I just bought a region free upconverting DVD player so I can import the Box Set from the UK.

    THIS!
     
  8. Dinobot Nuva

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    RID for the reasons listed above.
     
  9. Shin Densetsu

    Shin Densetsu I WILL DESTROY YOU Super Mod

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    RID! Once Armada(show/toys) came out, RID seemed like it was swept under the rug quick(save for exclusives and repaints in Universe)! The line gave us all the good things from Beast Wars(chrome, full articulation, high level of detail) with VEHICLE(not all but still!) alt modes! Monkey Prime was cool but it would be a lie to say no one was waiting for Haskaromy to make an Optimus just as articulated as Primal but with a VEHICLE alt mode, and not a HINT of organics! :bay 

    RID was a well received(by collectors) welcome to vehicle alt modes in a main TF line. It was an enjoyable line albeit short and seemed like it never reached its full potential. Nonetheless, while I didn't like the cartoon much, I fondly remember the toys. I think Omega Prime was overrated(not very stable at least mine isn't), but the fact that the combined mode was so fucking big(for a TF at the time), still impresses the hell out of me.

    Plus Black Convoy/Scourge=BEST black Convoy/Prime. Dude has a fucking GIANT SWORD AND a trailer, AND guns! Not to mention it's a repaint of Laser Rod Prime, who was awesome to begin with!

    In conclusion, short line but GREAT while it lasted!
     
  10. Deadend

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    I gotta go with RiD too, outside of my main loves of gen1, BW(which has run it's course cept for a deluxe tigerhawk), and Animated. The satire itself is what brings me back. This was a series that mocked itself, and had fun, while still being entertaining. So as a satirical series it really worked well, and the designs and characters were fun. But if Gen1, or animated were on the list, I'd vote for them.
     
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    RiD!!! Simply because it rekindled my love for Transformers! Pfft Beast Wars etc....

    "CENTER LASER!!!" Ha....never saw it coming. :lol 
     
  12. deltaprime

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    To me, RID seems to be the obvious choice. We're headed in the right direction with the upcoming Sideburn TFCC figure, and of course Sky-byte's Botcon fig. Robots in Disguise gave us one of the most amazing Optimus Prime toys to date (sure, ROTF Prime is cool, but come one, Omega Prime!) and it gave us Megatron, the bot of 10 alt modes.

    There were a lot of great ideas and concepts in this series, but most of the toys were repaints. Imagine deluxe sized Spychanger toys, new molds for the Predacon trio, even and update for Rail Racer! I think that RID toys with modern engineering would be pretty sweet. Okay, it would be tough to make the Car Brothers more difficult, but still. :lol 

    Oh yeah, and of course RID was the series that set the Nemesis Prime trend. :D 
     
  13. tobuttica

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    I didn't vote. My choice isn't up there. I'd like to see some Headmasters and Victory here in the states in a Shout release so I can finally watch it. Wouldn't mind some figures in the Generations line as well. Who wouldn't love a classics version of a headmaster?
     
  14. Shin Densetsu

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    I think another reason RID was cool was because it was a hint at what was to come in the future. RID has a Prime that combined, and the 3 series that followed did too. Also by the 2007, we had a Leader Prime that was leader sized without the need to combine. In a way I think it got us used to having leader sized Optimus Prime figures for the mainlines.

    Altertech followed the car bros and even now we still have realistic Transformer car lines. RID is one of the lines that didn't last the longest, but its influence has been felt the longest IMHO.
     
  15. Overhaulimus

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    There were 3 choices that I would have gone with, but the 1 that I did go with was Machine Wars.

    I only had 1 figure from Machine Wars, the figures were great figures, and hell alot of them were reused in RID (Which is still the reason why I got back in TFs in the first place). The auto-transform features were great features.

    I really wish that I had gotten more MW figures when I had the chance.
     
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    Beast Machines/Wars. Enough of Autobots and Decepticons, I need more Maximals and Predacons. Do a story line on the great transformation. Tell the story of how Maximals and Preds came to be. Beast Wars/Machines Megatron was the best, especially Machines. Dark, intimidating and quite cunning. I'd like to see more of him. He had a likable personality for a villain.
     
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    Sort of the opposite for me. I left because of Beast Machines, RID failed to pull me back in, and Armada pulled me back. :lol 

    But I'm going to vote for Armada/Energon/Cybertron. If only because we got Unicron and Primus, as well as my all time favorite figure, Energon Sharkticon. :) 
     
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    R.i.D. got things kicking again in doing Transformers the Autobot/Decepticon way once more. Hasbro may have had doubts with on that with the success of BW, their commitment to BM, and an intention to do a line that never materialized in TransTech. While I love what the Beast era did in making the most impactful mark in Transformers history, the long term path was with the formula that helped start it. The Beasts may have another day, but for now, i think what R.I.D. rebooted got us here today. R.I.D. doesn't get enough love in my opinion.
     
  19. TFG1Podcast

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    I voted Beast Machines because I would really like fully screen accurate toys of the BM character designs!
     
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    Alternators. That line was no where NEAR tapped! theres half a Dozen toys off the top of my head that we should have gotten.

    Machines Wars? Nice but never did it for me.....

    Beast Machines? Kill it with Fire

    RID? Sure it was good but...can you say Repaint?

    Unicron Trilogy? Amazing lines through and through, gave us some of our best toys ever....but they had 150 Episodes. I think they've had thier time.
     

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