Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by OptimusJet, Jun 25, 2014.
We need more like crosshairs.
I can think of two, right off the bat: Sunstreaker and Tracks
Movie of the year. Nothing to say.
I guess I should give this a proper review, but that would me I'd have to say things that have already been said a million times.
Bottom line: while not as bad as Revenge of the Fallen from a technical standpoint, it is fundamentally the worse film in the whole series over all in terms of what it's trying to do. It's just plain exhausting and repetitive. It's just the same BS that they tried (and failed) to disguise as a soft reboot. The greater robot screen time, the new designs, and the cast change doesn't fix the problems that continue to plague these movies.
Believe me, I've actually been a supporter of the Bay films for awhile. But seeing Age of Extinction made me reevaluate my opinion of them. I'm finally starting to see these movies for what they really are, and if this film's domestic box office numbers are any indication, so is the rest of North America.
There's nothing inherently wrong with summer blockbusters, but doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the better results will only last you so long. I for one am tired of this franchise. Call me when they decide to reboot it in ten years' time. And I mean a REAL reboot. One that's not afraid to take creative risks in the name of producing something great. One that doesn't pander to people's nostalgia. A Transformers movie that actually strives to be a good piece of filmmaking and not just some product.
Finally saw AOE, my impressions
Well yesterday was my 42nd birthday and amongst the cards and cash and other presents was a copy of TF: AOE on bluray so i decided to pop it in last night before bed.
I decided to post my thoughts and impressions.
Mark Wahlberg is better that shia labeef, did a great job as an over
Kelsy Grammer, I was skeptical of his playing a villain but he pulled it off well.
Was I the only one pissed the surfer guy ratted out his friend and Optimus?
Loved Hound, not G1 but still epic.
The Dinobots were cool bit plenty of missed potential perhaps they will return in TF5.
Lockdown made for a great villain.
Galvatron...oi how did they not notice issues with the programming sooner? I know Megatron took things slow and careful but surely they should have noticed some unaccounted for programming sooner than when they put them into operation.
Sadly the human reaction to Chicago's near destruction in DOTM is pretty damned typical of humanity.
I agree, I can enjoy the previous films as guilty pleasures but AOE just felt way too boring considering the concepts at play. I loved the new designs, but the fact that they appeared in such a lackluster film meant that I was put off of buying the toys. For me, the Bay series ends at DOTM, a film that I rewatched a few days ago forgetting how good of a Transformers film it was.
They kinda did, when the Galvatron prototypes kept morphing themselves to resemble Megatron, but I get what you mean.
Awsome movie and with the entry of mark wahlberg, its like icing on the cake.
I just got the BluRay and watched the flick for the first time since I saw it in the cinemas several months ago.
I think I actually liked it better the second time. Whilst for me the first movie was the best and ROTF was the worst, I was unsure if I liked this more or less than DOTM. With a second watching I think it is ensconsed as my second fav live action TF flick
I'd write a review of all the pros and cons of the movie but I wouldn't be saying anything that hasnt been said a million times before so will skip it
Someone had mentioned that there was a special ops group in the past named Cemetery Wind (no connection with the movie version)
First, understand that I acknowledge this is strictly my opinion, that of which is no more valid than yours. If you like this film and it makes you happy, that's all that matters and my words should be disregarded as I am not here in an attempt to change your thoughts, I am only here to share mine with those who might feel the same frustration. If you like this film, I recommend you stop reading now as you might become offended, otherwise, let us bond over our disappointment.
I must admit I did not watch the entire film, simply because I could not bear to. Seeing just an extended clip of this installment makes me question whether anyone actually thinks these movies are worth any more than a few minutes of their time, or if the die hard fans are just so desperate to have something to look forward to in theaters, to believe their franchise can live up to the likes of Star Wars or Harry Potter in the cinematographic medium that they've buried themselves so deep in a hole of cognitive dissonance they don't know the difference between the art of film and a toilet where Michael Bay, and anyone else responsible, eject the contents of their bowels. Just about everything I witnessed, from the dialogue, to the acting, to the voice acting, was poor at best. The bit of action I saw was intriguing, but not so much so that I felt the desire to keep watching. Eye candy isn't enough-I need substance in order to consider my time spent viewing worthwhile. The one saving grace for the film is the collection of designs contributed that spawned the current toy line, that which I enjoy regardless of the atrocity that be. Respect goes out to all the CGI/concept artists who poured their hearts into the project.
On the topic of dissonance, I will acknowledge that just as I believe people are quick to love these films in defense of their childhood, others are quick to jump on the hate train without giving such heavy hitting blockbusters a minute of their time. I try my best not to discriminate-I gave this movie more than a minute of my time, and I believe that's a minute more than anyone should have to give this cinematic vomit bath.
I am ready to patiently wait 5-10 years for a reboot if it means someone will eventually do these robots justice. I know it can be done, we just need people who care more about film and less about money.
Just watched it again. From the 7 times I've seen it, I still don't think it's nearly as bad a movie as the reviews would suggests. What really makes the movie for me was how well the Autobots were done. That and likeable humans, great action, Lockdown and less of that cringeworthy humor equals a win for me. Also the movie looks effin' spectacular on the TV I have back home.
I watched it for the 4th time last night. I think it could be a little less rushed. They kinda wasted a few minutes of the movie with unnesscary scenes but o well. I think they could have given a better explantion of what happened between Dotm and Aoe.
Since a few people have talked about rewatching the film, I decided I might as well, having just gotten the DVD. This was the first time I've rewatched the film in it's entirety.
Overall, I love having another TF film I can watch without groaning every five minutes at how disrespectful it is to the rest of the franchise, even if it wasn't that well made. I think my brain did turn off towards the end because of how long it is. But I was never bored. Heck, the much complained about magnet scene is one of my favorite scenes in the climax.
The Dinobots really feel out of place. Two or more hours into a dark and gritty film about a government organization committing genocide and dead aliens being turned into weapons for advancement of technology, then suddenly giant robot dinosaurs turn up!!! WTF?
Not to mention, when you're not paying attention to every move in the fights, the Dinobots' scenes go past far too quickly. Heck, half of their fights are more focused on Optimus. It's like the film doesn't want to be showing them. Maybe it doesn't.
Bay said he didn't want to do Dinobots, and I'm certain I read they were someone else's idea. Maybe Bay is the weak link of the film's creation. Everyone else thought of a bunch of plots, and Bay made a film with all of them cobbled together, not caring. And maybe Bay's lack of caring is why the film doesn't take a dump on the rest of the franchise.
ok, to be perfectly honest guys, I rate AOE below ROTF. (although both are below DOTM and TF1) heresy, I know. before you rage on me, allow me to explain my reasons.
the robots: now I get that people hated the alien look of the robots in the first three movies, me personally? I liked the more alien like designs, it helped to push the idea that these guys are FROM ANOTHER PLANET. its clear that for AOE the design team wanted to humanize the bots. while human like faces work well with G1 aesthetics, the combination of organically angled faces with typical movie bodies created a design I found rather odd, reaching its peak in Lockdown. which brings me to the cons, or should I say robostormies. these guys make the Stromtroopers look like tactical spec ops soldiers! not only does a single Autobot slaughter them by the dozens, they also die from a few hits. truly Galvatron has too much faith in them. and then there's the partsforming, which seems to have been added solely to advertise Kreo. while the movies have never been kind to the cons, and mass drone armies don't really work with Transformers, AOE suffers heavily from these two flaws. now, on to the bots themselves. Prime: this guy seems to have taken a few thumps to the skullplate. hate to break it to you prime, but helping the very species who KILLED YOUR OWN MEN makes you a massive hypocrite. Bumblebee: lets face it, BB is the face of the franchise, and while he had finally matured by DOTM , AOE drops him back into the role of naïve child. Drift: while Drift has a muddled history, with his "mary sue" traits in the idw comics, this version of him draws heavily from Japanese culture, this is played a little over-the-top at times. Crosshairs: I actually sorta liked his guy, perhaps because his character was completely original (the previous crosshairs were nothing like this) and thus I had no bias tward what I expected him to be like. Hound: this guy really should have been called Bulkhead. hes a large green vehicle, with a pronounced chin (a beard in the movie) and wears an old styled army helmet. I don't know much about previous Bulkheads, so I cant say if his personification is similar, but he is certainly no hound. Galvatron: a repackaged Megatron, with Welkers voice (yay), not much more to say. Stinger: a red Bumblebee, really just a throwaway character. Lockdown: I don't know what, but something about this guy makes me mad, its either his cheezy, cringe worthy lines or the fact that his face is just so darn UGLY.
the advertising: OMG BUY WHATEVERS ON SCREEN EVERY FIVE SECONDS!!!
the humans: ill be honest, I couldnt give two energon cubes about the humans. there all forgettable, one dimensional throwaways. oh, and theres an underage sex joke in there, ya'know, because that's what little Sally and her parents want to see.
the plot: mans out of his luck, buys truck. truck turns out to be robot. (seem familiar?) man and daughter caught in robot bounty hunt, overaged boyfriend saves the day, comedy relief dies. wait, who are these robots?! revenge time! oh no megatron lives! LETS PANDER TO CHINA! drones unleashed, prime captured. DINOBOTS!! prime suddenly gains rocket boots. the end.
Caught it on DVD with the fiance. Fun movie, if long. We enjoyed watching it, despite the problems it has.
While the movie wasn't as bad as the Major critics reviewed it, Michael Bay managed to stick to clichees and massive Explosion Scenes one after another while the bad TFs are just treated like random Targets like the Xenomorphs in ALIENS.
As for other Comic/Cartoon adaptions into live Action, I must say the Marvel and DC movies from the recent years are way better than the Michael Bay TF movies.
The only good Thing Bay contributed is that the transformations look great.
I don't seek a TF movie with much depth but the Level of Story and dialogs/Action scenes should be at least acceptable and more balanced.
I thought it was a very well made action movie. The effects and fight scenes were very well done, and who doesn't like watching giant robot dinosaurs cause some havoc?
That being said, the story was very lackluster. The Dinobots had no backstory, no character and were not even named in the movie, their only description being from Optimus, praising them as "legendary warriors." Whatever connection to the original trilogy existed was very disjointed, and at times nonexistent; for instance the most egregious of these cases occurs when the Autobots explain the origins of the Transformers and the Seed; an explanation which completely contradicts the original origin story involving the Allspark and the 7 Primes. The interaction between Mark Wahlberg and Nicola Peltz's characters came off as cliché and grows very old very fast, as while in the opening scenes, it seems Tessa Yeager is the stronger individual, the tables quickly turn and she is reduced to a whimpering mess constantly calling for "dad" to bail her out. The same inconsistencies in how powerful Transformers are carry over from the original movies, with humans capable of easily dispatching transformers (even being able to wield Cybertronian weaponry with no difficulty). Disparities between the Cybertronians themselves arise frequently; Optimus, for instance, kicks Grimlock to the curb, but then has his chromed bumper handed to him by Lockdown, a 'bot half his size. What really kills it is how Humans are now capable of manufacturing "transformers" (which are partsformers to the Nth degree, making them more like morphers) a mere five years after the Chicago battle, when before they were unable to even access Transformer technology without explicit direction by the Autobots themselves. Don't even get me started on how big of a hypocrite Optimus is.
Only bad part:Watching Cade's friend get frozen to metal by Lockdown.
Everything else to me was great.
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