Technological Parity or lack of it among Autobots and Decepticons

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  1. RedWolf

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    Technological parity means means several groups or factions have same technological advancement.

    Examples of tech parity in Transformers movies are:

    1. Protoform meteor transition modes
    2. Trans-scanning.
    3. Internal deploy-able weapons.


    Among Autobots and Decepticons, the Decepticons seem to have an edge.

    1. Decepticon Flyers - Baring Optimus Prime with his new Parts.
    2. Decepticon warships and drone fighters. The Decepticons even had the Nemesis. From the Autobots we've only seen the Ark and one shuttle.
    3. Decepticon Infiltration Units- Quite a number Frenzy, Ravage, Reedman, Alice, Insecticon, Wheelie.
    4. Decepticon Giants - Namely Devastator and Driller. Also Decepticons tend to be bigger than Autobots.
    5. Decepticon Clones - As seen with the mass production of hatchlings.
    6. Deployers- Cons with partners like Blackout and Scorponok.
    7.Combiners- The Decepticons had Devastator and Reedman. The Autobots had Skids and Mudflap with a single alternate mode which barely functioned in a battle.

    The Autobots in DOTM seem to have an advantage with 'Stealth Force' alternate weapons mode. Also MechTech weapons.
     
  2. Overlord Balder

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    I think the 'Cons have that edge due the presence of the Fallen: They have a GODDAMN Prime on their side, he probably knows [or rather, knew] how to do things like cloning and making giants, he was one of the creators of the TF's race for God' sake!

    He could probably clap his hands and create Tidal Wave out of a pile of scrapmetal.

    There's also Shockwave, the guy who's here FOR SCIENCE [and LOGIC!].

    The movies always gave that impression that the 'Bots have been completely anihilated, to the point only TEN Autobots are known to have survived the war.

    Arcee Triplets, Twins, Ironhide, Ratchet, Bumblebee, Optimus, Jazz, Wheeljack, Mirage and Sidewsipe: What's left of the Autobot army, and know what's funny? Half of those died.
     
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    Yeah, the autobots get hit pretty hard in DOTM, oh and you forgot the wreckers so... +3, and you forgot Mirage( I don't care about ferrari, he's not friggin Dino.) so plus four,oh yeah and their's the arielbots, seen in DOTM video game, and Warpath, so in all that's eight more autobots, so in all their were 19 KNOWN autobots that survived the war.
     
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    19, still a pretty small number compared to the 'Cons.

    Let's count the 'Cons [and Because I haven't read any spoilers, this might not be the true number]:
    - Megatron.
    - Starscream.
    - Barricade [deceased].
    - The Freaking Fallen [deceased]
    - Bonecrusher [deceased]
    - Blackout [deceased].
    - Scorponok [deceased].
    - Frenzy [deceased].
    - Jetfire [deceased].
    - Wheelie.
    - ROTF Protoforms [around five 'Cons] [deceased].
    - ROTF Clonecrusher [deceased]
    - Sideways [deceased].
    - Demolishor [deceased].
    - Devastator [deceased].
    - DOTM's Moon Troops [add AT LEAST some one hundrend soldiers in that count].
    - Driller.
    - Shockwave.

    Granted, half of those also died, but you can pretty much see that a SHITLOAD of 'Cons survived the war all the way to Earth, while only 19 'Bots survived here [and half of them died].

    You can even see the difference when you're counting them: The 'Con army is numbered by thousands, The 'Bot army is numbered by dozens.
     
  5. RedWolf

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    Autobots

    1. Bumblebee
    2. Ironhide
    3. Jazz
    4. Optimus Prime
    5. Ratchet
    6. Arcee
    7. Arcee - Chromia
    8. Arcee – Elita-1
    9. Jetfire
    10. Jolt
    11. Mudflap
    12. Skids
    13. Sideswipe
    14. Wheelie
    15. Sentinel Prime
    16. Leadfoot
    17. Roadbuster
    18. Topspin
    19. Mirage
    20. Wheeljack
    21. Brains

    Not counting the turn coats 18 Autobots in the movies.
     
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    The OP's list of Decepticon technological advantages made me realize just how much this is like the 80's cartoon.
     
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    I was talking about the amount of 'Cons that survived the war all the way to Earth, you can pretty much see there's a whole army of them in DOTM while the 'Bots barely have twenty soldiers.

    And seeing by the point of view above, Jetfire and Wheelie don't count ['cause they were Decepticons, only recently turned to the Autobots side].
     
  8. RedWolf

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    Well one advantage the Cons have is that they have Space Bridge tech. That Autobot shuttle was the craft that brought the new guys in ROTF to Earth. Meaning when Ratchet said they should leave Earth they have means to do so.

    So yeah the problem is distance and transport means. If most Autobots utilize meteor forms rather than ships.
     
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    I see it as the Autbobots not wanting the war to continue, so why would they use resources to make war machines when that goes against what they're fighting for. The 'Cons are going for domination, so they feel that more effort put into war will give them more domination and power. The Autobots are a defensive army, protecting things as they go whereas the Decepticons go on the offensive with might.

    Essentially they over prepare and underestimate the power of hope and comradeship. Amiright? :lol 
     
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    Wrong, they overestimate the power of their faces.

    Optimus...

    ...doesn't.
     
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    Well as the comics said, the Autobots were a digging research/science group and the Cons were the defense group. So I mean pit the military against the chess club lol.
     
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  13. RedWolf

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    Given the ships have spikes of doom on them the Decepticon ship tech could have been derived from the Fallen's Nemesis. Before somebody says prequel comics those are pretty much non-continuity with ROTF movie. Hasbro glossary suggest it is an ancient ship commanded by the Fallen.

    Autobot ship tech look functional flying bricks.
     
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    That's a cool explanation.

    Isn't it funny how we seem to find a way to connect everything to The Fallen? I mean: The Decepticon Insignia, The Clones, The 'Cons knoweldge of TF MacGuffins, the Decepticon Ships.
     
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    Any technological advantage the Decepticons might have originally possessed has since been offset by the Autobots' partnership with the almighty U.S. military. :rolleyes2 
     
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    I simply don't like how it's been said in the movies that "the transformers possess technological weapons/advancements unlike our own", and yet they drop like flies..:cry 
     
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    The military are so awesome that they managed to kill TWO DECEPTICONS until now, Indeed guys, the Army destroyed the whole Decepticon army :rolleyes2 
     
  18. RedWolf

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    Which reminds me. Autobots tend to use battle masks while Decepticons do not.
     
  19. Overlord Balder

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    I think the 'Cons face ARE permanent battlemasks, thus why their face is so warped and bizarre, and why they're so bug-like.

    While the 'Bots, being more civilized, use battlemasks in fights but have a normal face underneath, the 'Cons just said "To the hell with it" and started modificating their own faces to look scaring and ready for battle.
     
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    wrong.


    Nope, wrong. Decpeticons also use a battle mode, and standard mask like the autobots.
     

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