Takara Tomy Masterpiece MP-44 Convoy/Optimus Prime Ver. 3

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  1. Cheem The Rup

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    I found a translation japanese > chinese on baidu (mp44访谈渣翻【变形金刚玩具吧】_百度贴吧), I'll past the odd google transl. here ;) 

    COLUMN = OPTIMUS PRIME
    RED SPIDER = STARSCREAM
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    1. When did the project start? The mp series usually plans the product line very early, this is the plan that started in December 2016. In fact, even at that time, we still think that the 2.0 column is the best mp column, but from the period of 1.0 to 2.0, it is necessary to launch the 3.0 column in the morning and evening. It is too late to prepare for that day, so although The timing is still early, but we have been planning since then.

    2. From which aspect did you start? The first idea was "Beyond 2.0," but what actually happened was beyond our ability at first. We think about what can be improved, such as changing the mask to a little more, moving a little better. There is also the existence of mp36 Wei, and we want to make a pillar that fits like 36, just like the one coming out of the animation. So we first draw a column with the ideal body shape, and then consider what kind of mechanism is set inside as our starting point.

    3. It is very difficult to achieve the "pillars coming out of the animation". For example, the windshield and the chest of the pillars have different angles and aspect ratios. In the past, people and vehicles were compromised, and the appearance was balanced by design and detail. But our goal this time is to achieve changes in the size and angle of the chest. In fact, although the deformation mechanism of 2.0 is complicated, the configuration of the parts is followed by the g1 toy. We have changed this point in order to challenge the ultimate pillar. If you can't make a pillar beyond 2.0, this plan is meaningless. This is a turning point for Transformers or pillars of this generation.

    4. The body shape has also evolved greatly. According to the experience of re-manufacturing the column in the past, the balance between the vehicle and the human-shaped cab and the rear trailer part is difficult to grasp. The first is the size of the chest. If the windshield is used directly for the chest, it will be too wide to achieve the slim figure in the animation. On the other hand, the rear trailer must be thin in order to combine the compartments, but the pillars in the animation are thick and long, and there is obvious mass conversion before and after the deformation. This balance is difficult to grasp.

    5. How did it be solved later? We flashed an inspiration to transfer the mass, so that the capacity of the legs also increased, the upper body was noodles, and the balance between the upper and lower body was solved. So this time, the front of the car is split from the side and moved to the lower body during deformation. In the past, it took a lot of effort to store the arm in the front of the car, and this time it was solved.

    6. It was an amazing idea, but this time there was a problem with color. Because the upper body is red and the lower body is blue, it is necessary to make people not see the red part and hide it in the leg together with the tire.


    7. The leg tires have finally disappeared. The rear tires are relatively narrow. They are hidden in the legs by flipping them. We think this must be achieved.

    8. The evolution of design is relatively large, just like the animation, the smooth and flat waist finally flattened the waist (laugh). Originally thought of the same deformation structure as Laowei. Later, he pursued the addition of new movable structures without destroying the body shape. So this time it's not a skirt, but a structure that automatically retracts when the thigh is raised. We also made a special mechanism for the legs to be automatically bounced back.

    9. The double joint of the knee can make two bends and give a feeling of hands-on. This is the modern structure that we have only recently begun to pay attention to. By changing the damping of the double joint, one joint bends to a certain extent and then drives the other joint. This keeps the body shape while bending, and then enters the second stage of the bend when it is greatly bent. Because the mobility of the first-out 36 is quite good, it is an absolute condition that the pillar must have the same movableness.

    10. There are also many organs in the car that are equipped for the first time. There are a lot more gameplays. We feel that if the car is not well remade, it cannot be called 3.0. If you still carry the 2.0 identical car, will it be 2.5 pillars? Therefore, we would like to have any organs that have not been reproduced before. For example, the special anti-aircraft guns that appeared in the episode of the resurrection of the skyfire may be drawn from the battle platform of the pillars, plus the products of the wheels.

    11. Use the small ball to pull the anti-aircraft gun, it can be said that there is a takaraSF feature. We just want to introduce the gameplay that has the takaraSF feature. The attached Spikes also have magnets on their feet and can stand on decks and other places. Although it is not the officially recommended gameplay, players can also put the Dyna clones in, and the gameplay across the product line is what we want to see.

    12. There are two heads, etc., and the accessories are also very rich. Because g1 draws two kinds of heads, it is made into two options. The head can be completely removed, and the scene of the "Steel City" set of rhubarb holding the column head can be restored.

    13. I have forgotten that there is a set of pillars equipped with flying backpacks to fly in the form of vehicles. Is there such an episode?

    14. What is the use of the head and air intake of Red Spider? The head can be exchanged, and you can restore a certain scene of the animation.

    15. Strictly speaking, this is not a pillar. Yes, it sounds a bit like an excuse, but these accessories cannot be stored in the compartment.

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    Thank you so much for the stellar job @Sam.
    Had a long long shift last night and staring at these made everything alot more bearable.
    This figure is incredible!! They really nailed this one.

    I'm surprised they didn't photoshop out all the scuffs on the hand painted proto. I could have done it for them in 30 mins or less.


    When I look at the images I hear
     
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  3. Cheem The Rup

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    I'm in love again and again :bowdown: 

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    auto - mechanism, magnets, play factor: Takara Sf Land legacy at work here.
    wonderful.
    Simply, purely wonderful (and just the reason i simply absolutely love Takara's products since i was a toddler...)
    The only downside it's the wait becomes unbearable!

    By the way, Thanks to Cheem for the effort!
     
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    That's awesome, because I also involuntarily had a soundtrack bit pop into my head when first seeing this. It was this one:

     
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    That nicely describes steps 6 to 8. :D 

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    I'm not a fan of the backpack. I know why it exists, but man, did they over do it.

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    Also, anyone else really hate the unpainted red windshield wipers? That's when slavish dedication to the cartoon goes way overboard, in my opinion. The wipers aren't even on the same chest piece as the robot mode! But oh no, his cab was all red in the cartoon, so painting the wipers black is completely out of the question. Well, at least it's an easy fix for those brave enough to alter their expensive toys.
     
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    Yeah, the bottom part of his backpack should definitely angle in towards his back more. Perhaps a third party (Shadow Fisher?) will come up with an elegant solution. If possible, replacing the voicebox with a smaller, solid part while maintaining the transformation would be terrific.
     
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    Fuck the voice box. I would have preferred a smaller backpack to a voice box of a japanese actor I don't give a shit about. Or even Peter Cullen, as I am italian and never watched Transformers in english language.
     
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    Voices and other electronics on supposed high end collectables makes them end up like child's toys. It doesn't make any fucking sense. If that's truly the reason that the backpack is so fucking huge, then the people at tt are seriously retarded.

    To the toon purists. Are you happy with the left drawing, or would you have preferred to right full toon drawing?
     
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    Thanks for the heads up. I'm Chinese so before the real masters of translation step in, I'll try my hand on this third hand translation. All credit goes to the original op on Baidu; they said it was a very rough translation, but I found it quite on point.

    1: When did the project planning start?
    We normally start planning for an MP project a long time in advance, this was started from back in December 2016. At that time we still thought MP10 (Convoy 2.0) was the best/definitive OP, but looking at the time line from 1.0 to 2.0, a 3.0 would be on the table sooner of later, so we started planning real early.

    2: Where did you start?
    The first thought was "to surpass OP 2.0", but we couldn't quite imagine exactly what counts as "surpass" at the beginning. We thought of areas of improvement, for example a more accurate mouth plate, better articulation etc. Also the comparability with MP 36. we wanted to do a cartoon accurate Optimus just like MP 36 Megatron. So we drew up an Optimus with ideal proportions then started to think about the mechanism within,

    3: It'd be difficult to recreate a cartoon accurate Optimus?
    For example the truck wind shield and the 'bot mode chest. The angle and height-width ratio are both different. In the past we would find a middle ground between truck and bot then achieve a balanced look by detail design. But this time around, we really wanted to recreate this difference in physical form. Although MP 10 has quite an involved transformation, the parts placement actually follows the G1 toy. But in order to create the definitive Optimus, we were willing to change it up this time around. If it couldn't surpass OP 2.0 this project would be pointless.

    4: Proportions have evolved too!
    From past experience designing Optimus, the balance in the cab and back section is very tricky. First it's the size of 'bot mode chest; it'd be too wide to be toon accurate if using the truck wind shield directly. Also the trailer hitch section needs to be thin in order for the trailer to sit at a proper height, but on the other hand Optimus' legs are long and thick in the cartoon so kind of mass shift between modes, it's very difficult to achieve a balance.

    5: How did you solve this?
    We had a flash of genius to move the mass as solution, so that in 'bot mode the volume in the legs is increased and volume in the chest decreased. So we came up with the transformation to move some of mass on the side of the cab to the lower half of 'bot mode. We used to have to put a lot of effort into concealing the arms seamlessly into the cab, with this design it's automatically solved as well.

    6: What an amazing idea!
    But here comes the color problem: the upper body (cab) is red and the lower body is blue. So we had to hide the red surface within the legs, with the rear tires too.

    7: The tires have finally disappeared
    The rear tires are narrow and rotate to conceal inside the legs. We felt this is a must.

    8: Another evolution in design is a clean and flat waist.
    Finally able to make the waist flat (LOL). Initially we though of the same mechanism as Megatron. Then we wanted to achieve better articulation without breaking up the sculpt, so this time the waist doesn't have the articulated front skirt pieces but has an automatic mechanism where if the thighs move up the skirts retract. And we made them pop back up automatically as well.

    9: The double knee joint gives off an action figure impression
    This is a modern construction we only started to pay attention to recently. The friction resistance in the the two joints is different, so only when the first joint is bent to a certain degree then would the second joint engage. So that in normal posing only one joint is engaged to keep the body proportions. Because MP 36 has incredible articulation, this Optimus definitely needs to be able to match up with that.

    10: The trailer has several new gimmicks, a lot more play value
    We thought if the trailer isn't re-made properly, it wouldn't be called Optimus 3.0, so we can't have a similar trailer to MP 10's. So we thought about what gimmicks hadn't been done before. For example the mobile artillery in "Fire in the Sky". We thought it could be formed from the battle station with wheels added.

    11: Using Roller to drag the artillery; seems like a very Takara-esque Sci-Fi design
    Yeah we wanted to include this kind of Takara-esque Sci-Fi gimmick similar to Diaclone. The figures included have magnets on the bottom of their feet so they can stand on the deck etc. Although it's not an official way to play, you can have this interact with the Diaclone figures as well. This sort of product cross over play pattern is something we'd love to see.

    12: There are two styles of head sculpt..lots of accessories!
    Because there's two drawing styles in the G1 cartoon so we made two head sculpts. And the head is removable so that scene from "City of Steel" where Bumblebee is holding Prime's detached head can be recreated.

    13: I almost forgot there's that episode where Prime had a jet pack...
    Yup he sure did.

    14: What's with Starscream's head and the intakes
    To recreate that certain scene lol.

    15: So technically it's not Prime
    Yep, so yeah these can't be stored inside the trailer (does it sound like an excuse? lol)

    16: Which part to design has most effort gone into?
    The trailer. Although the cab is always more important and the trailer just kinda needs to be a square box, its thickness is quite hard to get right. Making it too thick would effect the overall height, so it took several tries to get to where we are.

    17: Something not in the cartoon?
    We've made slight changes to the toes and added bumper-like details so they look more realistic.

    18: Would this product be the benchmark for future releases just like MP 10 did before?
    MP 10 already had the design philosophy of "recreating the cartoon". In a sense we finally arrived at a time where we can face the origin of Transformers, where staying true to that source material without modifying or compromising can be viewed as a good thing.

    19: Now that the project is finally done and dusted, how do you feel?
    Feel like "we've done everything we could". This is Optimus Prime after all, so we put in our heart and soul. At the same time even if we overdid it, Prime would forgive us (LOL). After MP44, the MP benchmark might have been raised again!
     
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    *Edit* dope job @opoptimus !


    I entirely think it looks dope.
    The side profile doesn't phaze me at all... his back still looks better than MP36's
    It's entirely possible that the electronics add nothing to the bulk, I'd imagine its more likely there was an empty cavity from the transformation that they utilized.
    In terms of cost I'd imagine it added like $2-3 to the final cost. Electronics are in $1 toys too
     
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    No included dry ice to simulate smoke from the smoke stacks, preorder cancelled!

    Pretty sure the backpack is only 1% voice box and 99% truck parts, so removing the voice box won't really do anything.
     
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    As far as I can tell the top half is indeed truck parts but the bottom half is that voice box. Anyway, I'm fine with it looking the way it does but if some 3rd party does come up with a way to slim that bottom part down a bit I'd definitely be keen.
     
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    MP44 is a total rip-off. That said, I pre-ordered with nippon-yassan $498 CAD shipped.
     
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    Wow thanks so much to @Cheem The Rup and @opoptimus for the incredible translation!

    Damn, so interesting. So they've been designing MP-44 since December 2016! That's just a little bit less time than @Dean ML and @RichP have been talking about wanting a V3 :lol 

    Cute that the Starscream parts won't store in the trailer - because I take it to mean that everything else does! I guess I was right about the storage compartment underneath? For the energon axe, maybe faces, maybe the jetpack storage is clipped to the top of the trailer like we saw.

    Man so much goddam love coming from these designers! Talking about cross-play with Diaclone, @jackisking you may be right about a Diaclone Battle Convoy after all, at least maybe in the form of some stickers? I love how they feel they've truly reached a pinnacle - after so many years working on it I'm not surprised! What a team effort.

    They put in their heart and soul, and it fucking shows :bay :bay :bay 
     
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    Thanks a lot for cleaning up that!! Much appreciated!
     
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    But hiring the voice actor costs over NINE THOUSANDS!
     
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    Nah, screw em! I'll get the KO
     
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    Try Amazon Japan.
     

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