Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Cheem The Rup, Apr 5, 2017.
her name is shaoshao, and I suggest leaving it at that.
*still dramatized from tfwiki page*
Blowpipe is for Triggerhappy (I said as much in my original post that you quoted ).
Fracas hasn't been announced, and unless they suddenly release more Titans Returns figures in Legends, seems unlikely. Unless they pack him with some Power of the Prime figures.
You'll note that Nightstick and Fracas were the only ones not redone (both saw releases in Japan via Henkei and United lines respectively).
Honestly I feel the American high horse in this matter is flimsy at best considering that for five movies we've been subjected to whether or not Shia La Boof or Marky Mark get laid with hyper objectified and sexualized women, all the while we have racially stereotypically charged foul mouthed hyperviolent robots with testicles.
Give me cute cheeky fanservice over the hot garbage some of you call amazing blockbusters any day of any day of the week.
Seriosuly guys. The glass houses y'all are hiding out in are too fragile to be casting stones when it comes to how other countries and cultures chose to use the property over how we've butchered it.
You'd have a point of the movies weren't heavily criticized by a lot of fans for the exact reasons you listed. Both Japan and America have done some pretty shitty things with the franchise.
I'd also point out that criticizing those things and criticizing things like Sakamoto's art tends to garner the same kneejerk apologist replies. Kiss Players is of course a whole other matter.
There's a fair amount of us who believe the movies would be better off without the innuendo as well. Honestly, very little of it is necessary, or even funny, at all. I like Age of Extinction...but the dialogue about Romeo and Juliet laws really has no place in a movie about giant transforming rock-em-sock-em robots.
Not the best pic, but I think this looks pretty damn sweet!
As someone else suggested, I'm also gonna try the Sweeps face on the Hasbro Titanmaster body, to have a look.
*edit: yes, I need another Hasbro Scourge to go with that other Sweep head.
All the criticism and outrage still doesn't change the fact that KP was a legit success in Japan. Making celebrities out of the voice talent and creating a special line of cassette bots to commemorate the line. It goes to show you that you that just because you don't get it, it doesnt mean others do. There's a lot of shit that comes out of Japan that has many Americans going WTF?!?! Loli, Harem style fighting mangas and Yaoi come to mind, but they're also HUGE subcultures over there. I'm sure most Japanese people don't get some of the stuff we're into either. This line wasn't created to outrage westerners, I'm sure we weren't even in their thought process, they did it to cater to a legit subculture of fandom that responded favorably to the line. You all can just chuck it up to yet another thing you don't get about Japan, like penis festivals and pubic censorship.
Also, say what you will you know you all loved that Autotrooper mold.
Sorry, man, but the idea that Kiss Players was in anyway considered culturally appropriate over there is a massive misconception. Otaku culture in general isn't particularly respected and I promise you that pseudo-pedophilia and rape imagery is not something that's thought of as normal over there either.
It seems to be normal enough to have toy line after toy line cater to it.
Including this particular toy line.
But hey, what do I know. It's not like Tak/Has condone it.
... oh wait.
How Kiss Players was allowed to happen remains a mystery to this day. Perhaps HasTak weren't paying close enough attention to their properties at the time? But to act like that kind of thing is considered -normal- is just wrong... and just because there's products that cater to it doesn't make it so.
I know a lot of people seem to not understand this, but Japan isn't this magical place where you can go and you'll be accepted for your harmful fetishes or anime obsessions. It's just as weird there as it is here... being the country of its origin doesn't change that.
Didn't stop the Bayformer movies from making billions.
Don't conflate moral with successful.
I'm not getting into whether or not it's wrong or normal because culturaly speaking America and Japan have completely different world views on the issue, including a younger consent age in Japan. Obviously by western standards this line can be considered atrocious and highly immoral. My point is that American outrage doesn't dictate how other countries perceive their own particular views on the subject. If Hasbro came out with a comic and toy line with this subject matter I'm sure heads would've rolled, but they didn't because they have a clear understanding of the backlash that would ensue. The same obviously cannot be said for their Japanese markets where these themes are hardly objectionable. Otherwise what is the logic then of paying tribute to the line this many years later?
So we’re caliburst, firebolt, recoil and other’s, I actually recently posted a pic of titans return slugslinger with United Caliburst, so nightstick and fracas being released in henkei and United doesn’t keep them from being in legends and neither does them being American targetmasters
That looks really good
Sakamoto has referenced pretty much every aspect of the JapG1 continuity at this point so Kiss Players was always inevitable... but you'll notice that, while Kiss Players is being referenced here and the characters are still being sexualized, they're not being drawn to look like children and drawn to look like they're being raped. Sakamoto may be OK with drawing pictures to reference bukkake porn but he's not going to go down THAT particular road.
Kiss Players was a thing that happened... but I think it's safe to say something similar would never happen again today.
I agree. However, to be specific, in the Bay film case, the toys did not contain such controversial content. One could argue that the toys and the film are seperate entities, in the same way that toy companies made childrens' toys of the Aliens, Rambo, Robocop and Terminator franchises. I am not stating that such moves were good, but they at least kept the films' content out of the toy packaging. In Takara's case, if, for the sake or argument, we agree that the content is inappropriate for children, then why has it been included in a toy aimed at children?
Definitely not today. And definitely not with the power Generation Butthurt have with their keyboards.
Luckily, as the Ghost in the Shell movie controversy showed us, Japan hardly gives two shits when it comes to American PC outrage.
At least so far.
Maybe because as the Masterpiece and KP lines have shown us, Japan acknowledges that the fandom has grown up through the years and as such, the line has grown as well to the point where it recognizes the adult demo in their audience.
In other words, Japan doesn't exclusively target children with Transformers like America does. That's a Hasbro strategy, not Takara. Which is why these lines are predominantly G-1 inspired.
How was it successful? What data do you have to prove this? If it was sucessful, why has it not been continued? Unless you have them, I doubt your statement. As for Japanese people, I am fairly sure the "outrage" or uncomfortable feelings associated with media such as that used in KISS Players is very much the same anywhere else in the world. I have asked Japanese, French, British, Malaysian and other people in the same party about this and they have all responded in a similar way; it's disturbing and not really in keeping with Transformers. I have met a person that has actually met and/or worked with the Japanse artist in question. They stated that they wanted to create such work to basically troll the fans, which they thought was "edgy", giving them some sort of credibility,
I fully understand penis festivals, pubic region censorship. I have been to penis festivals in Japan, vagina shines in Japan, a penis "forest" in Korea and have seen quite a bit of other stuff in Japan and Asia that would get me banned from the site if I typed it here. However, that has been of an adult or mature nature, and not included in my toy's packaging.
Also, although Ghost in the Shell DID receive criticism in Japan for the use of a white actress, MORE fan-rage was devoted the Japanese made, live action version of "Attack on Titan", when they replaced the western-style names with Japanese ones to make it "more accessible" to a mainstream Japanese audience. The Japanese fans were angered, for similar reasons to the "whitewashing" of Major, that the original manga had been changed too much. There was also controveresy in Japan for the use of a Chinese actress and even a white one, to portray a Japanese in the film adaption of "Memoirs of Geisha", so isn't this similar?
Jesus Christ. Only on the internet would objecting to a comic intentionally drawn to look like child and rape porn get you referred to as "Generation Butthurt".
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