Superman: Man of Steel

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  1. Insane Galvatron

    Insane Galvatron is not insane. Really!

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    My flickster iPhone ap shows this movie coming out June 1st. I had not even heard they were making a new Superman movie. What disappointed me most was the movie poster shown has the guy that starred in Superman Returns. I'm sorry, but as popular as Smallville is/was, they need to cast Tom Welling.

    Anyway, I went to imdb to see what was up and why I had not heard of it and it says it was just announced and will be released in 2011. Also, they have no listing for actors yet. So there is still hope for the right Superman.

    I wonder why flickster listed it as only a month away?

    **EDIT** http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/
     
  2. MegaPrime33

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    Lets hope this is a reboot and in no way relates to Superman Returns.
     
  3. flamingunicron

    flamingunicron Well-Known Member

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    There's been many rumors that support a reboot
     
  4. Insane Galvatron

    Insane Galvatron is not insane. Really!

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    Any rumors for Tom Welling as the lead?
     
  5. flamingunicron

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    no i believe its still brandon routh, but i think they have a new director and not bryan singer
     
  6. Insane Galvatron

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    Big mistake. As popular as Smallville has been, Tom is the best choice to draw people to the box office. Plus, he makes a good Superman as far as I'm concerned.
     
  7. flamingunicron

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    i think it really comes down to schedule and stuff of the actors. I don't think the producers of Smallville would let him go if they were still filming when this movie starts.
     
  8. Paxtin

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    I just hope we get a new villain that we havent seen them do in the films yet.

    I mean Lex Luthor is fun and all, and Kevin Spacey rocked that roll. But I want to see someone old Sups can go toe to toe with.
     
  9. Dolza_Khyron

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    i thought they scrapped this movie? in fact wiki still claims that it has been scrapped. and the next film will not come out until 2011? i've looked up more via google, and other sites still claim that this movie is no longer in the works.
     
  10. Tekkaman Blade

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    They don't know what they want to do, they are re-planning many movies now that marvel is doing so well and after the watchmen and Spirit troubles.

    I think rather than a reboot they should just do the movie as if everyone knows the origin story(they all do) Just start out like a James bond movie. A small mini scene before the credit opening. Lois gets in trouble supes saves her. Then we go into the main story. I'd love for them to get Geoff Johns to write it and Richard Donner to direct it.
     
  11. smkspy

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    I think they need to get someone to direct that isn't Donnor or Singer. The franchise definitely needs a new vision that isn't theirs. And new villains like Metallo or Parasite. Anyone but Lex freakin Luthor.
     
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    How can you have a reboot with the same actor playing the lead??
     
  13. Opticron Primal

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    I'm all for this as long as the main villain isn't a kryptonite island.
     
  14. Lord Of Tetris

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    I don't think we have any reason to believe Brandon Routh either is or is not getting the role. DC and WB all remain very, very, very coy and ambiguous regarding if the next Superman movie will be a "soft reboot," a full reboot, a sequel, etc.

    Poor Brandon, though. In pretty much every interview he's done since 2006, Brandon has been gung-ho about doing another Superman movie.

    I actually want to see Brandon as Superman in the next movie, whether it's a sequel or a reboot. I thought he was just fine in the role. He was exactly the Clark Kent I wanted in a movie, and his Superman was, well, it wasn't great but he got the job done. In my opinion, his acting as Superman is so much worse than his Clark role because his Superman acting scenes are essentially soulless. There's so much CGI, hanging on wires, doing takes over and over based on lighting and CGI instead of performance, etc, that it's gotta be hard to act while in that Superman costume. If the next movie refrains from all the stupid CGI, I hope Superman (whoever plays him) gets some acting moments.

    Look at Keaton and Bale's portrayals of Batman. The suit is large and cumbersome, yes, the stunt doubles probably have more streen time in the suit, yes, but we have some great acting scenes too. Keaton's plea towards Catwoman in Batman Returns and Bale shouting at the Joker in the jail cell are real character moments you can't accomplish with CGI or a stunt double. Through no fault of Brandon's, Superman Returns didn't really have any meaty acting parts for Superman. Superman was all spectacle. Hell, I like spectacle just as much as everyone else, but Superman didn't have any emotional moments. I enjoy seeing Superman catch an airplane as much as everyone else, but that didn't really require any acting talent. If the role is written as spectacle first, character second, then even Daniel Day Lewis would be wooden in the role.

    Superman 1 had excellent scenes such as Superman drowning, where Reeve could actually show off his acting chops. If you've seen the special features on the DVD, you'll know that Routh's role seemed to consist of, "Okay, do this again, we're going to try it with a brighter light." Or, "Okay, now we're going to do this with the thicker cable, which will winch you up higher. Ready? Action!"

    Obviously, playing Clark Kent did not require these distractions. Watch Superman Returns again. I hope you agree that he's excellent as Clark, and (while not horrible), he's rather wooden as Superman.

    I also wouldn't really mind if the movie happens later rather than sooner. My only real critique about Routh was that he looked too young. I'm aware that he was the same age as Reeve in Superman 1, but Routh looked far younger. He's currently 29 years old. A few more years' maturity on Superman certainly couldn't hurt.

    I don't think it would be that confusing to have a reboot with Brandon, Spacey, etc. The live-action Transformers and 80s cartoon both have Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime. Steve Blum is Wolverine's voice in a lot of video games and the new cartoon, and these works do not share continuity. Hell, Judi Dench is M in the previous and new Bond continuities. For the longest time, Pierce Brosnan and Quentin Tarantino wanted to make Casino Royale star Pierce and take place in the 1960s, and we almost got that movie, too.

    A lot worked in Superman Returns. Routh and Spacey were good, and they'd be better with someone else directing them, hopefully someone who adopts post-Crisis Lex. Williams' theme also worked.

    A lot didn't work in Superman Returns. Kate Bosworth, the kid, Lex's sidekicks, the whole darn story being a Superman 1 ripoff.

    It's not like the Batman series, where everything was wrecked beyond repair (Clooney, Schwarzenegger, Shumacher, etc). Regarding Batman, it made sense to clean house and get rid of everyone. I really don't think that's necessary for Superman.

    Whatever happens, I'm certain there will be more Superman movies. He's DC's other famous character. Superman has been around for like 80 years. This isn't like Daredevil, where people keep talk about another film but we quietly snicker because we know it won't happen.
     
  15. Wreckie

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    Reports of the "failure" of Returns are greatly exaggerated. It took a pretty respectable 391 million worldwide, was very well received by the critics (rates 77% on RT) and the only reason it wasn't seen as a terribly profitable exercise was the fact its budget had to account for the $40 million in development costs of all those attempted Superman revivals in the 1990's.

    WB would do well to look at what happened when Marvel tried to reboot a recently launched movie franchise. Ang Lee's Hulk took $245 million worldwide and had a budget of $137 million. Like Superman Returns, it was seen as a flop so they panicked and rebooted the franchise a mere 5 years later, hoping that something with more explosions and a nicer shade of green would be more popular. The result was The Incredible Hulk, which had a budget of $150 million, took $263 million at the box office and was about as critically well-received as its predecessor. I doubt this was exactly the turnaround they'd been hoping for.

    A change in tone and direction could work just as well for getting more bums on seats in the cinemas. And with hard times ahead it just might be that WB will go with a known (if slightly flawed) quantity, rather than take a leap into the unknown.

    Besides, we don't need another origin movie. Move the story on a few years, send the kid off to boarding school and leave Luthor on the island with his bit of rumpy-pumpy. You can take the franchise off into any creative direction you choose from this point, so why bother starting over?
     
  16. Optimus1986

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    This is very old news. And I hope that half the movie isn't eaten up with Krypton backstory. It's been done to death.

    The Wachowski Brothers were rumoured to be directing a few weeks ago, but I for one am very glad that those rumors were proven to be false.
     
  17. Wreckgar

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    I'd think if it was coming out, we would have seen some kind of ad for it.
     
  18. ErechOveraker

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    Popular? That show barely gets like 3-4million viewers a week tops, not exactly the juice the movies would need to not be considered a flop. Those are the kind of numbers that would guarantee we wouldn't get another Superman movie for a very long time.

    Worry about a script, and not the actor, because that's always been the problem with getting Superman movies made. Nothing different here. Tall, dark and handsome guys are a dime a dozen. Good scripts clearly are not.
     
  19. Insane Galvatron

    Insane Galvatron is not insane. Really!

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    Exactly true. The story and director will make or break the movie. However, using Tom Welling will ensure those few extra million Smallville fans come out and add that to the general public.
     
  20. ErechOveraker

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    Those fans have proven at this point (the ones who are still watching Smallville even though the guy playing Lex Luthor left it because it has gotten so bad) that they'll still come out for a Superman movie, no matter who's playing the part.

    There is no lack of public interest in Superman, he's an icon. The quality is the issue.
     

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