Story Conflict between DOTM and the first movie.

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  1. xOPtimUsZErOx

    xOPtimUsZErOx Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone else feel that there is a major continuity gap between the first movie and DOTM.....for example here was the first movies teaser on mars in 2003 ...
    and then we have the new trailer being in 1969, yet if nasa knew that we were not alone in '69 then why would they be so shocked to find that the rover on mars was destroyed by starscream.....i mean seriously you can't be shocked if you already know something exist....now i am all for the fact that some can argue that because in the trailer we can assume that nasa never found a live specimen, and thats why they are shocked, but what if they don't.....it just seems like a major hole to me...everyones thoughts on this would be great, since this just came up in a discussion last night with a couple of friends.

    here is the first teaser for reference.

     
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  2. Oracle_Aesir

    Oracle_Aesir Outback is back

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    Who says they were shocked? They only reported that they didn't reveal what was found to the public
     
  3. xOPtimUsZErOx

    xOPtimUsZErOx Well-Known Member

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    that is true so is it safe to assume that basically NASA was behind everything before Sector 7 was even created?
     
  4. Ash from Carolina

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    Someone pointed out already that in the first movie the only people that know about the Transformers before Sam encounters Bumblebee is Sector Seven who are so secret even the government doesn't know of their existence and the ancient humans who built the pyramid around the Sun Harvester.

    Jetfire and the other Seekers were on Earth before the first movie but they managed to stay hid.

    So somehow a handful of people at NASA kept their mouths shut about what they really found on the moon. Since Sector Seven only had Megatron and the Cube there wasn't anything to make them question NASA so from the characters we've gotten so far it's kind of fits that the moon secret did not come out until the third film.
     
  5. xOPtimUsZErOx

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    it just seems like this movie will be a full circle kind of back to the first movie and i am completely ok with that.
     
  6. RedWolf

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    Sector 7 predates NASA. It could be Sector 7 and NASA are so compartmentalize that each don't know what the other is doing. Though I doubt that given Sector 7 managed to make NASA shut up about Mars rover.

    Though in ROTF we learn of Project Black Knife which Sector 7 was looking for Transformers on Earth and related artifacts such as alien scripts.

    Mars in 2003 must be Sector 7's first encounter with a live one. Those they probably found were either in stasis or corpses.

    Though it is interesting that according to the ROTF Robo Warrior site the KGB was aware of Transformers.
     
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    Same thing im thinking
     
  8. SPLIT LIP

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    Most likely the Astrodudes and crew weren't actually aware of what they were going to find. Yeah S7 obviously knows about Megatron, but he's the highest possible level of top secrecy. Remember the US Secretary of Defense had no idea Megatron existed, I doubt NASA would.
     
  9. coinilius

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    The real issue is that it creates story conflict with Ghosts of Yesterday!


    *crickets chirp*


    Never mind.
     
  10. Dropshot

    Dropshot Transform your destiny

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    Yes, megatron and the allspark were classified as above top secret, so all tfs encounters after them could be classified the same.
     
  11. Oracle_Aesir

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    no it doesn't
     
  12. Ephland

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    A: That's kinda how conspiracies work, things are kept secret.
    B: We should probably give DOTM the chance to explain things when it comes out... in six months.
     
  13. Ash from Carolina

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    The NASA guys who knew about the Transformers on the moon would have been retired by the Mars mission so if they didn't pass on the secret no one at NASA could have told Sector Seven "yea we've seen stuff like that on the moon".

    Or since Sector Seven already had Megatron and the Cube perhaps they figured the ship on the moon was not a concern since it seemed dead and it would take so many resources to bring things that large back to Earth.

    It could be something like with groups such as SHIELD where they might tell you a few things but they aren't going to spill all of their secrets.
     
  14. Goatboy

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    Goverment agencies are bad enough at comunicating with each other on everyday stuff, never mind ultra above top secret black projects.
     
  15. depthcharge82

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    such information as to knowing that there is an alien ship on the Moon would either:

    A: make people question whether we actually landed on the moon(though that is still up for debate now with some people)

    B: would intensify the Russians to get to the Moon and gather the wreckage before America would.

    C:Could cause mass panic among the public knowing something that large existed and the thought of a race of mechanical being would invade.
     
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    Agreed.

    Here is how I can see things playing out:

    -Megatron is discovered
    -Allspark is discovered
    -Hover Dam built to hide Allspark, Megatron is moved. It's covered up and Sector 7 is formed.
    -NASA, in early Apollo missions, notices the wreckage of the ship. Sector 7 gets wind of it and encourages NASA to check out the site.
    -Apollo 11 lands on the Moon, finds the Ark (let's just make that a stand in name). When they return home, Sector 7 confiscates all the documentation and covers it up.
    -Nearly 40 years pass, many people working on the Apollo missions are retired or are retiring. NASA launches the probe to Mars and get a look at the bot.
    -Again, Sector 7 gets wind and covers it up, confiscating all the information.

    Just an idea.
     
  17. Mr Happy Squid

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    Sounds plausible
     
  18. Nachtsider

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    Michael Bay doesn't give a shit about continuity.
     
  19. shroobmaster

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    I'm not sure if Nasa didn't know anything, I mean the dude does says "Missin is go" after they cut the transmission. I think they did know and just wanted to make sure.
     
  20. VaderPrime1

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    In this continuity, NASA knew there was something up there, and that's what stared the space race. They had to get up there before the Russians to find out what it was. In the trailer, they said "mission is a go" when they were on the dark side so there would be no transmissions and they could explore.

    This was new to them because S7 is so secretive. I think S7 took over NASA's footage when they sent the rover to Mars because they knew that they would find something.
     

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