Well in case you missed the mini review in the other thread I'll rereview them here. Vader - Well simply put he is very mediocre. He is neither great nor is he a total turd. He suffers some problems. First off appearance wise his is bland. Looks ok but not very exciting. He is roughly the size of a small BW/BM mega. The price point is about right for the size for the toy. But it is just plain unappealing. His arms are a little floppy and hand won't lock out in place. His cape is ok. He looks a lot better in vehicle than in robot. Overall I would give vader a C or a C-. Only get him if you want to see what the line is like. Grevious - I thought he was going to be the good one when i saw pics. Sadly he is utter crap. He is very floppy, can't stand up straight. Looks like a gimp lurching forward to one side. He is VERY back heavy. He has a mid thigh and bicep joints that pop off constantly. I give him a big fat F. Poor quality for a piss poor figure. the only possible saving grace for this line could be Fett. But I am very iffy about getting even him now. I may gamble with him when i see him. but for now these turds are going back. Even if i have to say they broke (very believable with Grevious) I will get my money back on this crap.. Let this be a lesson to us. Never let a Star Wars person design a Transformer.. Both get an overall from me.