Star Wars: Episode IX

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    ah yes, midichlorians, the scientific term for what the uncouth layman calls "scrubbin' bubbles".
     
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    It reminds me of both mitochondria and chlorophyll (which I learned later is intentional).
     
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    Thread won.
     
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    Speaking of midichlorians, the folks who think they somehow change the nature or interpretation of The Force probably didn't catch something the Original Trilogy was doing. Everybody seems sort of aware that it was inspired by ideas like chakra energy, ki, or whatever else you want to call it. But force powers were also inspired by quantum entanglement and what Einstein called "spooky action at a distance." The whole point of calling it "The Force" in the first place was to take something mystical and make it sound more scientific. Same reason Obi-Wan describes the force using terms like "energy field" as if he were discussing electromagnetism (notice that the Force also has a polarity...). Just like Star Wars merges the genres of science fiction and fantasy, The Force merges spiritualism with science and natural law. Midichlorians are exactly in line with that.
     
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    Yes BUT then Lucas uses Gui-Gon, the best Jedi ever, to illuminate us on the “living force” which sounds super religious to me. Unless the midichlorians are actually telling you what to do? Is the Force a prime mover? Or is human emotion and behavior the future as Yoda suggests? Are things predetermined in SW? Does the Force have a will? I feel like Lucas is having his own science vs religion struggle in SW.
     
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    You’re actually not far off. Qui-Gon was considered a bit of a maverick when compared to other Jedi, and he didn’t always see eye to eye with the council. Ultimately, his views on the Living Force end up partially saving the Galaxy when he figured out how to communicate with the living after death and passing that teaching onto Yoda and Obi Wan to help Luke. It also adds a sense of dramatic irony since the immortality that Anakin was seeking through the dark side was achievable from the light side all along. Speaking of Anakin, you could argue that his whole character arc in the prequels is based on those struggles you mentioned. Anakin would see visions of the future, and as someone who had been declared the Chosen One for over half his life, it isn’t hard to imagine him believing he had some sort of agency in those visions and his fear of their inevitability is one of the major reasons he leaves the Jedi.
     
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    Yes. I agree. I believe Lucas is presenting Qui-Gon as the perfect Jedi. Qui-Gon reveals all the ways the Jedi have gone wrong. I think he is essentially a pre-Republic Jedi.
     
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    I think he's trying to express that these aren't either/or questions---that there's a give and take in ALL of those dualities and many more--and has been trying to do so from the beginning...

    Luke Skywalker: You mean it controls your actions?

    Kenobi: Partially, but it also obeys your commands.
     
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    Couldn’t resist.
     
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    I think midichlorians were just Lucas's elderly dementia showing.

    Just like pretty much the entire Phantom Menace.
     
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    This feels relevant.
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    This is just a thought I had. If Episode 9 was like Return of the Jedi, I would predict...

    Rey goes back to Jakku to find out the truth about her parents from Unkar Plutt, But then he imprisons Rey and puts her is a revealing outfit.
     
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    Nope they put Rose in the revealing outfit. Rose in the metal bikini! Ah-ha! You can’t unthink it now can you.
     
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    No, That's not a problem.
     
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    Probably would work as well as with any other actress around this age put in a metal bikini.

    I was facepalming at Jabba's dancers anyway. Why is a space slug drooling over humanoid eyecandies when hutt's criteria of attractiveness are different than human? That's a thing. Hutts consider themselves handsome, just think about it...


    I think Jabba was really depraved even by hutt standards. That xenosexual filth... Keeping those disgusting vertebrates instead of a proper hutt company.
     
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    I think it’s more or less a symbol of power. Twi’leks for example are like a sex symbol across the galaxy. They are considered one of the prettiest species, so it makes sense Jabba would have them in his palace both as a symbol of power and entertainment for himself and his more humanoid guests.
     
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    I think it's less about whether Jabba finds the girls attractive and more about the knowledge that they shouldn't find him attractive. "Soon you will learn to appreciate me." He knows she doesn't already. And he gets off on forcing someone to do things that are so strongly against their will.
     
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