Just wanted to share my 2 cents on what works and doesn't work with these 2 movie franchises. (forgive me if this topic has come up before, I have been away from the boards for a while and searched for a topic similar to this one) First off, I liked both movies a lot but J.J. Abrams Star Trek struck a nostalgia chord with me. I feel the movie was spot on. It embodied everything a Star Trek movie should be and then some in my opnion. Good Characterization, accurate character portrayal, good script, top notch action etc. It took me back to that "Wrath of Kahn" feeling and also gave Star Trek a fresh new spin with the new cast who helped capture the spirit of the original actors. I kept thinking to myself, why couldn't Tranformers 1 & 2 give me this feeling? Transformers, while bringing us novelty to the franchise, steered away from the original characters and spirit of the G-1 series. I know change can be good and it doesn't always have to be like "G-1" but I think if you are going to steer away from G-1 at least make interesting characters with fleshed out backgrounds and story. The only 2 Transformers with average depth, characterization and substance are Optimus and Bumblebee. Every other character is relegated to the background with little more then a sentence or 2 describing WHO they are not what they are or why they are doing what they are doing. For example- calling Ratchet a medical officer shouldn't suffice as the only character development aspect for this character. We know he's a medic, just like Bones in Star Trek is a medic BUT we also know that Bones is pessimistic, always pissed off, but very loyal. I have no idea what Ratchet's personality is. And this is where BAY's movies falter, in plot and characterization. I really like the designs of Michael Bay's Tranformers movies ( i know some fans don't) but that alone is not what keeps people coming back for more. It's the characters that are the most important aspect of any story, it's what makes Star Trek, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and other stories like them become great stories and mythologies that can be enjoyed by generations. Not just another summer blockbuster that ends up collecting dust in your Blue Ray collection. What do you guys think about both movies? Do you like Michael Bay's approach better then J.J. Abrams? What works and doesn't work with both movies? Thanks for reading my babble!