So was Megatron from BW the same one from g1?

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  1. Transfotaku

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    Yes. In fact, the comic that came with them, specifically states that they are and the Beast Wars is just a continuation of the original battles.
     
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    All the initial / rock bubble Beast Wars character bios set the series in the present day. It's only after the show treatment was written and the line transitioned to smooth bubbles that the later bios came into line with the prehistory story treatment. That said, guys like Cheetor and Tarantulas kept their rock bubble bios on the smooth bubble cards, so references to Tarantulas trapping humans in his webs stuck around until the Transmetal run.
     
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    Like many have said, he's not the same.
    He's arguably an upgrade from his name sake.
     
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    Also Prowl
     
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    One of the Prowls anyway.

    BW's had 2 Prowls.

    And lets not forget Ironhide and [the second] Silverbolt too.
     
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    think of it someone getting named after a relative...grandparent, etc....except in robot terms it would be someone from a build cycle many many years before you...
     
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    Which Prowl? You mean this Prowl?

    Prowl (1999) - Maximal Military Strategist - www.tfu.info

    He only believes himself to be G1 Prowl. There's no evidence he is. He just has the same name, and apparently got it because, like his namesake, he's the most logical of the group.

    There's no evidence he's not either, but if he IS the G1 Prowl, then he'd have to be suffering from amnesia or something if he only believes himself to be G1 Prowl. If he really WAS G1 Prowl, he would know he was, not think he was.
     
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    He's talking about the Prowl that combines with Ironhide and Silverbolt into Magnaboss.
     
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    Who has no bio coming close to G1 Prowl though. Magnaboss' entire bio is:

    A new breed of super robot blasts its way to the head of the Maximal battle lines with three times the fighting force! Prowl's ferocity, Silverbolt's swiftness, and Ironhide's strength team up to form Magnaboss - a triple-power threat capable of annihilating any Predacon enemy, even the ultra combative Tripredacus. Magnaboss owns the battlefield, arming itself with a massive megaton battle sword composed of Silverbolt's razor-tipped wing swords and Ironhide's blunt-force battle clubs mounted on Prowl's cyber tail claw. If two heads are better than one, Magnaboss is way ahead of that game...times three!"



    So really, the ONLY BW toy that is, definitely, 100%, without doubt, also a G1 char updated into a Max/Pred body, is Grimlock.

    Unless that IDW bio book stated otherwise...but that's almost universally panned by nearly all fans as horrible and should be forgotten anyway, so, that barely counts. ;) 
     
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    In your opinion it barely counts.

    It was long hinted by some people connected to the show/toyline that the 3 that combine to form Magnaboss were connected in a major way to their G1 counterparts.

    I recall even Ben Yee making such a hint.

    The IDW profiles only cemented the idea.

    And while I heard many fans complain about the poor coloring and missing alt modes of some characters , I have yet to see many complain about the content of the bios.
     
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    Aren't you just full of TF knowledge:thumbs2: 

    So magnaboss is related to G1? He is the Eagle, Elephant combiner right? That sounds better than what Takara did for that Character in BW2.... Lio Convoy Jr.

    Someone should create a list of all Beast Wars characters believed to be Reincarnated G1.
     
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    Okay I know reading comprehension is at an all time low, but cartoon watching comprehension? Makes ya wonder what's going on in these public schools.
    Lol sorry it just seemed too easy. Yeah megs stole the name. Primal is related to optimus prime.
    And as shown in the show the term prime had become a bit of a joke. Kind of like saying for Pete's sake. Kind of annoying for Pete. Lol so i'm sure the family modified it when they went maximal.
     
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    I hope thats a complement.

    But yeah....the last 2 years since my illness I've had plenty of time for comics and research.

    Yes, basicly Ironhide,Prowl and Silverbolt of G1 become the heads of the Maximal Council and in times of great need they can combine to form Magnaboss

    That would be kool.
     
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    A few hints (where? Magnaboss wasn't in the show in any form) here and there, fan speculation, and a fan with a respected website making a hint, does NOT make it official. It has to be IN some official format (cartoon, comic, toy bio, etc) for it to count.

    The BW Bios book is in a barely counted area not just because of the low quality of the content (ALL the content), the fact is that Ben Yee completely and totally rewrote a LOT of bios to fit his own interpretation of things. Which means he also rewrote the Magnaboss one to make 'official' a hint/supposition/idea he previously had that was independent of established, official sources. Beyond all the rewriting of a lot of bios to be totally different than official materials, the bios aren't even supported by the company. IDW hasn't done anything with them at all, they don't even seem to care that they published the stuff in the first place. So, the BW bio books aren't as credible a source as it should be.

    To the person that wants the list of reincarnated G1ers, it's rather short:

    Grimlock definitely, 100% without a doubt, IS.

    Prowl (Transmetal 2) is a MAYBE. He's either a guy hero worshipping G1 Prowl, or he is G1 Prowl but suffering from amnesia.

    And IF you want to include them, even though the company doesn't seem to support it anymore, the 3 that form Magnaboss is. Which creates a Name Paradox. There's never, in any material beyond a few toys (and usually they're upgrades of the same person), 2 TFs using the same name in any source. Even the "Two Megatrons" bit was one Megatron in the US comics and one in the UK comics being written independent of one another then reconciled together later that one was Straxus using a Megatron body he made. That means the BW Prowl (TM2 one) and Silverbolt (Fuzors one) OR the Magnaboss two are the 'real' ones, or that they're the same person in two different forms. Yet we know that neither TM2 Prowl nor Fuzors Silverbolt (especially not Fuzors Bolt) is, with 100% certainty, the G1 people of the same name. That's of course, based on 99% of TF history and media, not the 1% that supports the G1 Magnaboss theory which would have to also ignore the 99% of established canon to fit their theory in.

    Also, if you want to include the original BW comic that came packed in w/the Croc-Megs and Bat-Op, those two are 100% Megatron and Optimus, respectively.

    So, to sum up the 'reincarnations':

    Grimlock, yes.
    Crocodile Megatron and Bat Optimus only, yes, but going off a timeline that never really made it.
    TM2 Prowl, possible.
    Magnaboss' components, if you want.
     
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    I thought Ravage was also the same as the G1 incarnation.
     
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    He was. But his was also explicitly stated in the show, so not much in the way of debate, there.
     
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    Found this of Transformers Wiki:
    It's possible that Beast Wars Lazorbeak was intended to be a new form for Laserbeak. Lazorbeak's on-package bio reads, "Lazorbeak upholds his motto of believing the only good point he likes about the Maximals is their melting point," a reference to Laserbeak's original motto. Also, both use laser weapons which frequently run out of energy.
     
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    His personal website an in interviews/answers he gave at different conventions.

    Which is really irrelevent.

    At conventions fans ask questions and he tried to answer.

    Never said it was offical

    And considering his connection to the show his speculation carries more weight then your dismissal.

    Which it is now....so it counts.

    Again thats your opinion that they dont count.

    And your complaint is the first I heard of about poor qulity writting.

    And yes he re-wrote some of the bios but it wasnt to fit his interpetation.

    It was to blend the Japanese BWs series with the Amnerican.

    How do you figure??

    Some of the info in the bios were highlited in the BW mini books they published and whos knows whats to come.

    Again I see no evidence of that.

    Hardly.

    It wouldnt be the first time that 2 characters were running around with the same name in a single series.

    Wrong.

    There are a number of cases of 2 characters with the same name from a single source.