So wait, if the movies/animated/wfc aren't at all a G1 reboot...

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  1. Nightrain

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    ...then that means we still have not had our proper reboot that every other major toy property on the planet got. Even GI Joe had an awesome mini series.

    We have only ever got "homages". Optimus Prime, even when voiced by Peter Cullen himself, is only a homage according to many here. Jazz in animated - homage. Starscream - homage. Ironhide - homage. And on and on. Well I'm tired of homages. I want the real deal.

    I don't recall anyone saying the TMNTs were only homages, or He-Man, or Duke or Roadblock. They were the real deal. Why can't The Transformers(otherwise known as G1) have the real thing?
     
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    This seems like a silly distinction to make, IMO.
     
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    They just re-invent the wheel every so often.
     
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    What about the Dreamwave and IDW comics? Besides many continuities like WFC and to a point Movie and Animated already have alot of similarities to G1, what more do you want?
     
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    This thread is nonsense. I don't really get your point or see why it should matter.
     
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    The Imagi TMNT movie wasn't a reboot. It was set sometime after the Golden Harvest films.

    To my recollection, GIJoe was never rebooted. They've used the same names and characters (whether due to nostalgia, homage, or keeping licenses and trademarks), and the same basic premise. But I don't think they've ever outright rebooted the series.

    The same goes for He-Man. To reboot a series is to say that nothing before it ever happened. All '03 He-Man was was just a new cartoon based on the 80's toon. Chock full with homage.
     
  7. Nightrain

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    I'm the one that was fine with any of the three being a G1 reboot, so you'll have to ask everyone else.

    My guess is there won't ever be widespread satisfaction until the classics toys are animated. Everyone agrees the classics toys are the proper reboot toy-wise, yes?
     
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    LOL No. "Classics" is nothing more than the G1 characters getting a makeover after 25 years.

    ie:
    VW Beetle - Peugeot 206 (because of VW's noncompliance)
    Datson Fairlady Z - Nissan 350Z
    Lamborgini Countach - Lamborghini Gallardo mish-mash

    Hardly a reboot of continuity.
     
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    Well I don't know about the semantics of reboot, but you misunderstand homage. A homage is only influence, or tribute. He-Man was clearly an outright reproduction of the character, not a mere tribute to him. Mattel wasn't looking to sell a mere tribute.

    Fine, an update. My point is the classics represent the G1 characters, whereas the other toys apparently do not.
     
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    I think you're being awfully selective in how you assign "reboot" and "homage" to things.

    A reboot can contain homages and an homage can be part of a reboot.
     
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    I really don't care much about the cartoons. Animated was just a G1 regurgitated fanwank so you can count it.

    I'm fine with the Classics toylines being the reboot.
     
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    Fair enough.
     
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    And yet that "re-introduced" version of He-Man was "Influenced" by the original.

    Theres really very little difference between the 2003 He-man and ever version of Optimus Prime.
     
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    Transformers has never had a single continuity, and thus cannot be "rebooted" in the sense that the term is used with other franchises or comic books.

    Although it does SOUND like that's what they're trying to do with prime/WFC, so I guess there's yer reboot.
     
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    Of course it was, but that's an overuse of homage. Not everything is a homage, sometimes it's very much intended to be a reuse of the property and it's characteristics. And it doesn't have to be 100% exact.

    That's why it's my contention that Optimus Prime in the three mediums all represent a reuse, reintroduction, or whatever of the original character. But almost no one agrees with me :lol 
     
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    How close does it need to get to G1 before you count it as a reboot, out of curiosity, OP?
     
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    No one probably agrees with you because there's so many different continuities in the TF universe and different versions of the same character that rather than thinking about them as rebooted versions of their G1 selfs, who they may share many similarities with, we instead think of them as new versions of the character in a new continuity
     
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    No one agrees because the distinction your making isint logical.

    No offense.

    The 2003 He-mam was based on the original.
    He was not the exact same character but he shared similarities in appearance and other characteristice.

    The Bay-verse Optimus Prime was based on the G1 Optimus Prime.
    He was not the exact same character but he shared similarities in appearance and other characteristic.

    And the same can be said about the RID,A/E/C versions of Optimus.
     
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    I think he meant to say "Remake."
     
  20. Nightrain

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    Again, personally I'm fine with any of the three being G1. It seems like wfc does have kiiiiind of a majority G1 view, but I'm also seeing people say that it's a self contained novelty thing. So I don't know. Classics designs on earth with a kid named Spike? Or Buster?

    Yeah, that sounds better.
     
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